Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

Jesus Christ. Your myopic views are staggering.

it’s letting men pretend to be women that’s the problem.

I'm interested in the fact that he eventually targeted an outsider.

I would have thought that Charlie Kirk is less of a 'change maker' in Utah society than in other parts of the US, because the conservatism already exists and is so defined by the religion (and has form for being anti Trump e.g. Romney, Evan McMullen).

What argument?

It seems unclear from your post what you mean?

Do the majority of female people want female single sex spaces to be only female single sex spaces? Yes.

Are you posing your arguments that female single sex spaces are the 'third' space?

Take the example that a current single sex space for female people is 4 cubicles and the organisation provided one space for the female people who what female single sex spaces. All that will mean is that once the female people realise that the original space they thought was female only is mixed sex, they will all use the 'third space'. Then that 'third space' because over subscribed and likely result in lines so the organisation will then be under pressure to reinstate the original female single sex space where there are 4 cubicles and state that no male people are allowed access over a certain age.

This thread has morphed, hasn't it?!

I think my issue with Waitingforthecold's approach is that it is very anecdotal; I tend to zoom out to a wider approach, based on principles rather than incidents.

Waitingforthecold has not had a negative trans-related experience, in other words, anecdotally, it is a non-issue for her.
Waitingforthecold rightly condemns a sexual assault at a school, but that is just one anecdotal incident.

If you zoom out, there is a wider picture: sadly, for whatever reason, there is a group in society who disproportionately abuses another group in society, in ways that are very specific to the second group and are based on biological differences.
Within that statement there are lots of sub-sections: not all Group 1 are a danger to Group 2, not all Group 2 will have negative experiences with Group 1, some Group 1 are lovely chaps who wouldn't dream of attacking Group 2, and so on.

But in certain limited contexts, the most straightforward way to protect Group 2 from the problematic elements in Group 1 is to keep them separate.

Toilets are the main example of such a limited context - being in a vulnerable position, i.e. partially undressed and often alone in an isolated place, puts Group 2 in increased danger of attack, or at the very least, the very well-founded fear of it.

So toilets are segregated, and it has long been accepted that Group 1 should not enter the toilets, or other similar facilities like changing rooms, designated for Group 2.

That works for the majority of both groups - men use the men's, women use the women's. This is not based on the personality or character or clothing of the men who insist on using the women's toilets, even the lovely lovely transwomen who have been using them for years and wouldn't hurt a fly - it is based on the principle that in the specific context of toilets or changing rooms, Group 1 stays out of the facilities designated for Group 2, full stop.

"The issues is that this discussion never happens without being hateful towards trans people and largely denying their existence."

I don't believe that there is one post on this thread denying 'trans people' exist. This is very lazy emotional manipulation.

The discussion is whether society must act as if it supports a male person's philosophical belief about themselves that doesn't reflect material reality or not when it comes to safeguarding female people and allowing female people to have their needs met.

What other group of male people get their philosophical belief affirmed by society in having their belief prioritised above the sex based needs of female people? Why is this group so special?

I don't know, but it's interesting to me that Kirk (who I think was a midwesterner by birth) had moved to Arizona and lots of his staff there were LDS. He was one of those evangelicals who was Mormon friendly - lots of evangelicals don't like them because of their heterodox beliefs, but others are prepared to overlook that because of their values and strong family orientation.

But yeah, there's a subset of young Mormons, often gay or trans, who leave the church and become very anti-Mormon. The default position for them seems to be Reddit atheism, the Progress Pride flag and far left omnicause politics. A cynic might think they've exchanged one conformist religion for another.

Church leadership, who are mostly extremely old and still fighting the battles of when they were young men of 75, are more worried about the edgelord youth who share Brigham Young memes and joke about unfashionable 19th century doctrines.

If we’re going to talk about the nature of much of the “trans movement” I’d like to share this example of the rhetoric:

https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/id-like-gretchen-felker-martin-to?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

”she” is a man, obviously:

I’m speculating here a little, but Felker-Martin’s MO appears to be building a fantasy version of her enemies in which they are so evil that no action toward them is unwarranted, and then using that depiction of them to justify her preexisting tendencies toward sadism and florid violent and sexual fantasies. This isn’t new — I found one of her violent tweets, captured by a right-wing tabloid site, dating back to 2017. In that one she told a city councilor who was opposed to Worcester, Massachusetts becoming a sanctuary city, “we’re gonna bury your lonely corpse in the overgrown lot behind State Liquors, Michael.”

I’m just suggesting that the child who sexually assaulted your daughter did so for reasons other than being trans

I think the general consensus is that he would have done it because he was male.

Changing rooms in high schools after all are not typically monitored by staff nor have any real security measures.

Yes, that is one of the reasons that women and girls are particularly vulnerable in changing rooms. The safeguarding measure is keeping men out. Of course some men might try to enter anyway, but the difference is whether that is lawful or unlawful. Similarly it would be much easier for burglars to burgle if they had a right to enter anyone's property.

There is a poster called keeptoiletssafe whose posts you might find informative. It is very difficult to maintain security and safety in 'private' public spaces.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5316505-toilets-a-chance-to-make-them-safer-for-everyone

The only societal issue at blame here is America’s ridiculous lack of gun control

Felker-Martin is the charming character who, a couple of years ago, wrote a novel gleefully imagining the murder of JK Rowling. The transvestite fetishist Lilly Wachowski is planning on adapting the book into a TV show.

Felker-Martin was also fired by DC Comics last week for publicly celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk, and then doubling down on it. The only thing I can say is, DC knew who this man was when they hired him, and I'd guess his fashionable identity was a big part of the reason why they hired him.

Felker-Martin has been suspended from Bluesky at least twice for wishing violence on public figures which, given what Bluesky is like, is a bit like being suspended from the BNP for being too racist.

Felker-Martin wrote: “Blood on Jessie [sic] Singal’s hands, blood on Helen Joyce’s, Rowling’s, every just-asking-questions journalist and fear-mongering TERFs. You’re scared for your children? They’re killing ours. … If they all had one throat, man.”

this is the man who wrote a crappy novel fawned over by misogynistic idiots where JK Rowling is murdered, and which the Wachowski brothers want to make a film of. He was also suspended temporarily from Bluesky for the second time (the first was for threatening violence against JKR) and lost some comic writing job for glorifying Charlie Kirk’s murder.

Apologies, cross posted with you @SionnachRuadh i took ages writing that follow on post 🤣

Oh. That chap.

Cross post!

I became aware of GFM because I follow the comics business, and was intrigued to hear of a trans writer with violent fantasies who was even worse than Magdalene Visaggio.

Fuck! Predictive auto fill.

"Take the example that a current single sex space for female people is 4 cubicles and the organisation provided one space for the female people who want female single sex spaces. All that will mean is that once the female people realise that the original space they thought was female only is mixed sex, they will all use the 'third space'. Then that 'third space' become over subscribed and likely result in lines so the organisation will then be under pressure to reinstate the original female single sex space where there are 4 cubicles and state that no male people are allowed access over a certain age."

Do we need a separate thread to discuss the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the links between the people who discussed it the day before it happened?

Though this thread has been excellent at showing the lengths some people will go to in order to derail the discussion and distract from the concerns of radicalised TRA violence.

Can we also remember that just because someone says they are 'trans' doesn't mean that they are not an abuser who is male. And that allowing any male person legitimate access to their victim in what is expected to be a single sex space is causing additional harm.

As male children have now been established to have physical advantages over female children even from the age of 7, why would we be allowing any male children to use female children's single sex spaces? When a girl feels intimidated by a boy's presence knowing that they can overpower her, why are we ignoring her concerns and centring the boy? All because that boy has a belief about himself that is not based in material reality.

Sorry to bring up an old tangent again, but in my view there are some causes that justify violence.

One might argue that giving women basic human rights is a cause that justifies violence.

One cannot argue that ending women's basic human rights is a cause that justifies violence... it doesn't even justify printing leaflets.

Not sure what I was deleted for.

Perhaps a post linking to the ICD 11, which describes how 'gender incongruence' must be differentiated from 'transvestic fetishism'.

Not sure why, this is the diagnostic manual the WHO and the NHS rely on.

It's one issue at blame.

Its definitely not the only issue.

...and therein lies the lies and bs. Fox news and fbi sources...you mean Donald Trump desperate to say its a trans lefty issue...deflect from epstein and create a civil war to stop the midterms ....
At least watch some other news outlet that challenges your mindset ...but fox...you may as well ask trump directly...and as for the fbi ...Kash Patel has reneged on every thing he has ever said about epstein and is now actively covering it up. Its a joke.

I think it's very clear from several threads that some people really don't want any discussion of what might have motivated the murder.

I think that he was targeted because he wanted (and was having) conversations, and transgender ideology can only survive, let alone thrive, in a #nodebate, "repeat our mantras" world.

RTFT it’s been confirmed now and reported by NBC, CNN, BBC.

Can you explain which bit is lying?

The same information seems to be reported by the BBC.