Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

Maybe growing up in Northern Ireland makes me particularly sensitive to glorification of violence.

Also, I think lots of people, maybe lots of young people especially, only ever experience violence as pixels on a screen.

I hear young people saying things like "punch nazis" and it's painfully obvious they've never been in a fight or maybe even seen one in real life. My memory of fights at school was that the fat kid usually won because they could use their weight against you. But lots of these antifa types seem to imagine violence like they're in a Spider-Man movie where you punch a bad guy on the jaw and he goes flying across the room.

They'll get quite a shock if they ever encouter real violence.

Yes, and video gaming where you can restart if you die.

Obviously having a gun when others don’t gives you an advantage, with a knife you have to get close and exert considerable physical effort.

You misunderstood my comment (or chose to).

You know absolutely nothing about me or my personal circumstance, but have chosen to parade your progressive credentials in order to belittle those of us who don’t slavishly support what you consider to be important. I’m at a loss to understand why you believe that you are the moral arbiter in this scenario.

That is what your comment illustrated.

I’m finding it incredible that so many of us are ‘misunderstanding’ @FuckOffWithYourEllipses it’s obviously because of all our ‘white feminism’.

Wow, absolutely breathtakingly offensive from you yet again.

You won’t keep engaging because several posters have called you out for being offensive and racist.

People have had a variety of views about a varieties of his opinions, from my reading.

And why shouldn't they? He thought differernt things about differernt subjects.

I suspect a lot of people would agree with him about pornography, for example. He had strong views that men should take care of their kids. Surrogacy, prostitution.

Most of the stuff people have posted where he spoke about race were about critical race theory types of things, which people in the UK are typically less into already.

Probably less so on abortion and some gun related stuff but even there it is not like MN is a hive mind. Most people in the UK accept the types of abortion limits the UK has, or even other parts of Europe, which are more conservative than the American left's view.

Yes, I mean I think his opinion re rape was horribly extreme. I strongly support abortion rights up to 6 months. But otoh I also think the 'Up to birth' attitude in some blue states is horrible.

That's a funny way to put it though, isn't it?

Would you say that deaths from car accidents are worth it, in order to allow people to whiz around all over the place?

Or would you say the occasional crime by an immigrant is worth it, in order to have movement of people between countries?

If I said these things meant you thought it was good that people were victims of crime from foreign pickpockets, say, or that it was just acceptable collateral damage that people die in car accidents, would you feel that was a fair way to characterise your views?

I'm surprised there wasn't more about him, documentaries, talk shows, the anniversary of the shooting passed by quietly.
I find that strange.

I think focusing on transgenderism & antifa solely is too narrow. The threats are all mixing together online.

In a way it's not new- Eric Hoffer in The True Believer noted that an extremism is often more important to an extremist than a particular cause.

Technically I would argue he wasn't inciting violence to happen so much as applauding violence that had already happened. Still vile.

 Otoh I think that Labour man who spoke about cutting Tory throats should be in jail.

Kneecap maybe too? It was more of an artistic performance- but is that an excuse?

Yes. Echoes of the recent 'trans' mass shooter - just hugely disordered in so many ways.

All I'd say is that the gender stuff doesn't help by sometimes collapsing all issues into 'dysphoria' and then potentially overlooking comorbidities that may need treatment.

That's not true I have seen right wingers calling for trans deaths.

He should ve expelled.

Quite a lot of kids don't get in fights now, they are too supervised at the age when that might have happened in the past. Fake violence is all they know.

Gore videos & video games have desensitised a generation (more men but also women) to what violence is.

Well the thing about Kneecap is that they're middle class theatre kids posing as chavs, so their whole thing is "safe edgy".

You can see that in the way they use the Jon Stewart tactic of retreating to "we're just being satirical" when they say something that gets them in trouble.

I'm not a fan of them hanging out with the SWP either, but it's consistent with their pseudo-revolutionary shtick.

Unless you do boxing or wrestling another contact sport.

I think we should promote those more, esp to teen boys who otherwise might work out their aggression in another more negative way.

I guess no one really takes them seriously ...I hope...

Agree about the mixed/incoherent ideologies, but transgenderism is interesting in that it doesn't get you a Prevent referral (and maybe even protects you from it?). "My son is hanging out on these weird trans discord channels" probably gets you and your son sent down a gender dysphoria helpline pathway which ignores or dismisses the extremist content. "Ah, they are just talking about killing terfs as a cry for help" or something. At most the system probably acknowledges that "some murderers happen to be trans, coincidentally" without acknowledging that the trans community was the radicalisation pathway.

I don’t think @FuckOffWithYourEllipses is being patronising at all. Feminist doesn’t automatically mean non-racist, as show by the Sandie Peggie case.

They're also of a generation that didn't experience the Troubles or the horrific violence- I recall being viscerally horrified at kneecapping, but to these lads it's all a bit of a laugh.

Still, teenagers shocking their parents is nothing new.

Single sex places are an absolute necessity but black women are dealing with much worse challenges than that, like institutional racism.

The thread is being derailed, btw, this should be moved to a separate thread.