Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

If the past decade has shown us nothing else, it is that poor impulse control and judgement is no bar to progress in politics and government.

I'm wondering how long that will last, especially in the US with the Zizians and other recent antifa violence.

It's not a competition. Black women still need single sex spaces, all women do, no matter what colour they are.

"Extremism" in the modern UK can mean something as absolutely mainstream as reading Tolkien or having a subscription to the Spectator. Once PC Plod says "we'd like to check your thinking, extremism wise" anything is fair game.

Trans probably does protect against a referral because trans seems to trump every other characteristic and leads a certain sort of person to focus exclusively on how vulnerable the young person is. I tried to have a conversation with a TRA friend about the threats to Kathleen Stock, pointing out that she's the most moderate and respectful interlocutor you can imagine, and all I got in response is "these young and oppressed and vulnerable people, maybe they don't always choose their tactics wisely, but it's just them standing up to a bully." Seriously.

It's the only example I can think of where you say "my child has gone down an internet rabbit hole and is interacting with all these weirdos" and you're automatically the villain.

Exactly, we are capable of being involved with more than one thing at a time, it’s not up to anyone to tell any woman what she should be concerned about.

I agree, I didn't read it as patronising because it has more than a grain of truth.
There are bigger issues troubling black/brown women today, bigger than a man in a skirt.
Racism is off the scale, women are vulnerable facing angry men.

No, there are not bigger issues. Our ability to participate in society and that means using facilities where we are safe, is most likely the biggest issue of all.

To be clear, I was called “racist” for pointing out that white feminism minimises anti black racism.

Those polite posts were deleted, while the actual minimisation of racism sails through unchallenged.

That says it all. No point continuing.

Ben Sixsmith was quite good, I thought.

Will America choose violence? | Ben Sixsmith | The Critic Magazine

Of course, two important issues can run alongside each other.
Facilities should be safe, like public transport or walking an around the area should be safe, it isn't safe lately while racists are raging.
My colleagues from India are abused daily in everyday life, I rarely if ever suffer verbal abuse.

There is no “minimisation of racism” here, just people who want to discuss a brutal murder of a prominent commentator and the reaction to it online without being derailed by tedious purity spirals about whether we’ve denounced him enough.

No, they didn’t qualify it to just his trans views. They said that his views have merit.

How about you and @FuckOffWithYourEllipses listen to the black woman you are lecturing and accept that she knows what’s important to her and you don’t.

How is responding to a post lecturing someone?
I didn't say the single sex space wasn't an important.

But they are not the biggest priority for women of colour. We have much bigger hurdles to face.

Feminism is about women’s rights. Women and girls. All women have the right to participate. Division isn’t helpful. Other rights movements aren’t constantly harangued to prioritise other issues over the central issue they’re organised around. You disagree, fine. But don’t presume that I will be engaging with predictable, derailing smears about FWR.

I agree with this.

I think many people will have a preconceived idea about the type of person the murderer is, he will have been stereotyped in some way, and when it comes out that he doesn't fit that narrative it will disappoint a lot of people.

I really liked Charlie Kirk (although I didn't agree with everything he said or believed in), but as a person I cannot see anything about him that would incite such hatred that somebody would want him dead, and then kill him in such a violent manner.

No one is telling you what you have to prioritise. Likewise, I’ll prioritise what I want to.

As opposed to the posters complaining that people haven’t denounced anonymous social media accounts enough?

Yes, they are. Toilets, as well as female facilities, affect us every single day. There is no greater struggle.

I agree. I think he just sounds a bit of an internet edge lord rather than motivated by fervent ideology. But the points around online culture stand I think, it is concerning.

I don’t care who you denounce or don’t denounce. I’m saying why I, personally am concerned about online violent rhetoric. But I’m sure you thought you had a gotcha.

As a brown woman, it’s not a “man in a skirt” that I find troubling, it’s the complete eradication of my sex-based rights, along with the huge swathes of people who think I’m a bigot who deserves violence for objecting to it.

So apparently during a press conference earlier, it was stated that Tyler Robinsons roommate, while cooperating with authorities , a ‘joke’ he made via discord.
Part of it was “Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush and a message referring to having left the rifle in a towel.”

Discord deny this, and say it wasn’t on their platform, and his account has now been deleted.

It doesn’t surprise me though, if there were more people involved, given this posted the day before it happened:

There was a TikTok with similar rhetoric from someone else too.