Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

Absolutely.

Anyone saying 'but, but, but' here needs to have a hard think about what they're advocating.

I’d heard conflicting stories if they were there or not.

I wanted to believe they weren’t 😔

No they are not creating alarm. They are exercising their free speech, as Charlie Kirk wanted them too.

You are the one interpreting it as disgust and fear, and then creating posts pointing that out. That is creating alarm.

That is your choice to do that, instead of shaking your head and blocking them.

Charlie Kirk chose to build a platfrom on having controversial discussions to get attention and generate personal wealth. After being shot, there will be some people for whom he was extremely judgemental about to (generate his personal wealth), that will also want to get attention by behaving in a controversial way possibly even to generate their own personal wealth.

This is the current state of social media- you have to enrage to get engagement.

“Trans rights” in the way many leftists interpret it, is a problem for society and especially for women’s rights, which amounts to more than just “friction between communities”. Also, that’s clearly an AI summary, can you not express in your own words?

They really do.

It matters because LLM are not critical thinkers in the same way as humans are, and could possible make things up which woudl undermine the posters credibiltiy.

See this video to explain.

I am relieved to see that posters here are, as usual, being level headed- Disgusted at the attack on free speech and the murder, while disagreeing with most/all of his opinions.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to attack each other on here for differences of opinion, or to blame women here for the vitriol elsewhere.

Who were I think 2 & 3? And that graphic video went everywhere. 😢😡

It really upset me when I learned that they'd done that (I was later to peaking so only became aware of Berns after she'd sadly died). It's an awful thing to do, to gloat over someone who died because you disagreed with them, especially as it was cancer.

I couldn't imagine anyone GC gloating over Janey godleys death from cancer, in fact I myself felt very sad, for her family, her daughter particularly and I was aware that she was an active trans activist during her life. It's why I get so pissed off when people say "both sides". No, it's just one side issuing death and rape threats, violence and gloating when people die and now actually being violent by killing someone they disagree with. And it's not the women who stand up for our sex based rights. The problem, as always, are men. Their rage knows no bounds. Sick of it.

Yes, sadly I do think a LOT of people are trolling or shitposting to get engagement.

Just as bad imo. If everyone's performing for the world, sincerity dies.

It absolutely does devalue their posts.

If someone cannot express their own opinions in their own words, how can we possibly trust that they first thought about it, second, came to their own conclusions and finally, are accurately expressing their thoughts?

The people condemning it and saying murder is always bad aren't a threat. The people celebrating it and saying murder's great and should happen more often are a threat. Obviously.

Whether it’s “less valid” to have a machine collect a lot of points you possibly don’t understand well enough to be able to articulate or explain is entirely a matter of opinion. It doesn’t make for a particularly engaging discussion.

We’re all exercising free speech.

I think they’re wrong.
You think I’m wrong.

Now what?

I think you’re downplaying how many ‘extremists’ there are.
I’m now wondering why?

Of all the internet posts you could be responding to, of all the posters of all the platforms there are to scold, you’re focusing on me?
I’m the biggest cause of division you need to focus on?

If I blocked them all, I’d have no sleep for days.

There’s that fucking many.

I am still shocked by the video, I know people get shot everyday, to see it at close range, watching him take his last breath, blood rushing from his neck. Awful.
I don't think his DC were there. I read earlier that they had not been told yet, he is not coming home.

I would argue that left-wing extremism has attempted to force people to accept things that many people profoundly disagree with and the left’s tendency ‘to label critics of illiberal policies as “deplorable”, "bigoted", etc- which shuts down meaningful conversation’, is the reason why were in the situation we’re in.

When you shut people out of a conversation about things they disagree with, it’s not surprising people react in a bad way, especially when the people who are doing the shutting down are the government and it’s officials.

If the number of people who are being dismissed, ignored and insulted are in the 10’s of millions, it’s going to get ugly.

Newton’s 3rd law, for every action there’s an equal an opposite reaction, the far right is a reaction to the extreme ideology of the left.

This. Gloating about people’s deaths is vile.

Also, that’s clearly an AI summary, can you not express in your own words?

Dismissing her contribution as “AI” is just another form of thread policing and deflection.

It smacks of avoiding the substance.

Either engage with the point or admit you don’t want to.

If you disagree with somebody
debate with them
not shoot them

I'm flattered that you think my posts are AI!

The quotes were taken from Co-Pilot and cross-checked with the articles I posted, but all my posts are my own.

If you use AI to reply to me, you will see what AI posts really look like (stiff and formal). Nothing like my posts.

That is an interpretation, for sure. The same argument could then be used to say that Graham Lineham should be prosecuted for saying "punch them in the balls" which only 2 days before the right wing supported as "free speech".

The people celebrating this murder on social media, are telling you that they a) felt victimised by Charlie Kirks ideology and b) are pretty stupid for celebrating murder publically that can be seen by everyone forever.

The person who is dangerous is the person that bought a gun, and trained to use it to murder Charlie Kirk.

Yes.

We need to get back to this.

That isn't how AI is used, it can be changed to reflect the tone of the person using it. I have used ChatGPT, Grammarly and Co-pilot and they are all the same.

I reported your post to see Mumsnet and their response said they don't have a policy on the use of AI. So in these controversial threads its good to bear that in mind.

It's not an AI - I'd expect ChatGPT to be much more articulate and concise than my rambling wall of text!

I've acknowledged that the left extreme is not perfect - but as a black women, I know which extreme I'd rather live in. My way of determining which extreme is worse, is by imagining you were drawing lots that would determine your position in society - with a risk that you could draw a lot of that would make you the weakest member of society (e.g. a young or elderly, disabled, minority ethnic woman who grew up in foster care and is in an abusive relationship). Which America would you rather live in? The extreme right or the extreme left?

For me the answer is obvious and suggests that American right wing extremism causes far greater day-to-day harm and hardship than the left wing equivalent.

Josh Shapiro's arsonist sited support for PAlestine and targeted him for being jewish, he was from the Left.

Recently from the Left we have had-
Trump - 2 assasination attempts and death of crowd member in '24.

Brian Thomson murdered, shot in the back by Luigi Manjioni in '24.

25 dead during black lives matter riots in '20.

Boulder, Colorado -antisemittic attack, 12 victims of a firebomb one death in antisemittic attack in '25.

Two Israeli Embassy staffers killed in 'act of terror' in Washington, DC in antisemittic attack in '25.

Tesla vandalism targeting Tesla vehicles, charging stations, and dealerships in early '25.

Trans activist shootings -Westman -mass shooting at a Catholic Church and school in Minneapolis in '25.

Hale- Trans shooter in Nashville shooting a Christian School in '24.

This is on top of trans activism of the sort that J.K.Rowling/ Graham Linihan /Kelly J.Keen have experienced where they have been doxed, hounded by litigious activists and threatened. Kelly J. Keen was nearly killed in New Zealand event in '23. Kathleen Stock was hounded out of her job at Sussex Uni. etc etc.

Charlie Kirk it has been reported by the Washington Post they gun they recovered was engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology and it's looking like another violent attack from the Left.

www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b