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CassOle · 11/09/2025 21:47

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:42

I'm flattered that you think my posts are AI! Wink

The quotes were taken from Co-Pilot and cross-checked with the articles I posted, but all my posts are my own.

If you use AI to reply to me, you will see what AI posts really look like (stiff and formal). Nothing like my posts.

I'm flattered that you think I read your posts.

FuckOffWithYourEllipses · 11/09/2025 21:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 21:39

Whether it’s “less valid” to have a machine collect a lot of points you possibly don’t understand well enough to be able to articulate or explain is entirely a matter of opinion. It doesn’t make for a particularly engaging discussion.

Not everyone can always phrase things perfectly, and AI can help make their point clearer.

That doesn’t mean they don’t understand what they’re saying.

Pretending it means they don’t understand their own views is smug, condescending nonsense.

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:49

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:45

That isn't how AI is used, it can be changed to reflect the tone of the person using it. I have used ChatGPT, Grammarly and Co-pilot and they are all the same.

I reported your post to see Mumsnet and their response said they don't have a policy on the use of AI. So in these controversial threads its good to bear that in mind.

Grin

All I can say is post an AI response to me, and you'll see the difference.

I wish I had the skills you think I do.

baggle · 11/09/2025 21:49

It worries me that political violence, and in particular murdering people for their political views, is becoming more normalised.

Especially when considering the levels of violent vitriol and threats aimed at high-profile gender-critical women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 21:50

FuckOffWithYourEllipses · 11/09/2025 21:41

Also, that’s clearly an AI summary, can you not express in your own words?

Dismissing her contribution as “AI” is just another form of thread policing and deflection.

It smacks of avoiding the substance.

Either engage with the point or admit you don’t want to.

I made my point about so called “trans rights”, I’m not responding to anything else in that largely straw manning gish gallop of a post. AI is not conducive to these types of discussions and I’ll hold whatever opinion I like about it, thanks all the same.

Coconutter24 · 11/09/2025 21:50

Cornishclio · 11/09/2025 17:36

God this is getting tedious. No I think he was racist because of his comments about black people.

If it’s getting tedious then give some quotes as evidence. He spoke to everyone the same regardless of age or race

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:50

CassOle · 11/09/2025 21:47

I'm flattered that you think I read your posts.

Why would you give your opinions on posts you haven't read? That's just...bizarre.

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:50

GoldThumb · 11/09/2025 21:40

We’re all exercising free speech.

I think they’re wrong.
You think I’m wrong.

Now what?

I think you’re downplaying how many ‘extremists’ there are.
I’m now wondering why?

Of all the internet posts you could be responding to, of all the posters of all the platforms there are to scold, you’re focusing on me?
I’m the biggest cause of division you need to focus on?

If I blocked them all, I’d have no sleep for days.

There’s that fucking many.

Right, but you are cherry picking data and using verbose language to have an extreme view.

Most people by far are appauled at the murder, but you are inflating the voices of the extreme few to support your idea that there is a much bigger conflict going on than there is.

That is your choice, and it is my belief you are doing this to generate fear of a group of people without looking at the bigger picture which is wide-spread and unequivocal condemnation.

BettyBooper · 11/09/2025 21:51

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 11/09/2025 21:46

It's not an AI - I'd expect ChatGPT to be much more articulate and concise than my rambling wall of text!

I've acknowledged that the left extreme is not perfect - but as a black women, I know which extreme I'd rather live in. My way of determining which extreme is worse, is by imagining you were drawing lots that would determine your position in society - with a risk that you could draw a lot of that would make you the weakest member of society (e.g. a young or elderly, disabled, minority ethnic woman who grew up in foster care and is in an abusive relationship). Which America would you rather live in? The extreme right or the extreme left?

For me the answer is obvious and suggests that American right wing extremism causes far greater day-to-day harm and hardship than the left wing equivalent.

The extreme left say that men can be women if they say so and have driven people from their jobs for objecting. The authoritarianism is huge. There is control of all our institutions.

What did the extreme left do for the girls in Rotherham?

The far left and far right are two cheeks on the same arse.

Skipthisbit · 11/09/2025 21:52

Ffs …. this isn’t about free speech - he set up a frigging “watchlist” to terrorise people who didn’t agree with him

”Journalist and college professor Stacey Patton goes viral by penning a stunningly powerful statement about how she was on Charlie Kirk’s “digital hit list” and recounting the horror that he inflicted on her.

We cannot allow this tragic assassination to whitewash Kirk’s legacy…

“I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list,” Patton wrote to her 215,000 followers on Facebook. “His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.”

“For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘bitch,’ ‘cnt,’ ‘n*r.’ They threatened all manner of violence,” she continued.

“They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired,” Patton wrote. “The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.”

“And I am not unique,” she added.

“Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse,” Patton wrote.

“Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!” she continued.

“That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies,” she wrote.

“And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater,” Patton continued. “But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!”

“And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.”

“But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,” she continued. “Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.”

“It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant,” she concluded.

This is pure unvarnished truth from Patton. Charlie Kirk did not deserve what happened to him, but nor did his victims deserve the hell that he unleashed on them. If Americans are going to build a more peaceful future for ourselves we must condemn political violence while also condemning the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire. ”

So stop with the free speech nonsense sense because he didn’t believe in it and persecuted people who disagreed with him.

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:53

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:49

Grin

All I can say is post an AI response to me, and you'll see the difference.

I wish I had the skills you think I do.

Edited

You are using an LLM to generate data to support your posts.

This is obvious because of the formatting used.

I have provided you with information about why that may backfire for you as people will take your "research" with a pinch of salt. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.

LLMs are not information search engines.

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:53

Coconutter24 · 11/09/2025 21:50

If it’s getting tedious then give some quotes as evidence. He spoke to everyone the same regardless of age or race

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like 'boy, I hope he is qualified,'" the activist and host of the The Charlie Kirk Show said.

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-black-pilots-racism-accusations-1863546

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:53

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:53

You are using an LLM to generate data to support your posts.

This is obvious because of the formatting used.

I have provided you with information about why that may backfire for you as people will take your "research" with a pinch of salt. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.

LLMs are not information search engines.

Edited

I posted the sources to you, did you read them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 21:54

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 11/09/2025 21:46

It's not an AI - I'd expect ChatGPT to be much more articulate and concise than my rambling wall of text!

I've acknowledged that the left extreme is not perfect - but as a black women, I know which extreme I'd rather live in. My way of determining which extreme is worse, is by imagining you were drawing lots that would determine your position in society - with a risk that you could draw a lot of that would make you the weakest member of society (e.g. a young or elderly, disabled, minority ethnic woman who grew up in foster care and is in an abusive relationship). Which America would you rather live in? The extreme right or the extreme left?

For me the answer is obvious and suggests that American right wing extremism causes far greater day-to-day harm and hardship than the left wing equivalent.

I’d rather live in neither extreme. I think both are bad.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/09/2025 21:54

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 11/09/2025 21:46

It's not an AI - I'd expect ChatGPT to be much more articulate and concise than my rambling wall of text!

I've acknowledged that the left extreme is not perfect - but as a black women, I know which extreme I'd rather live in. My way of determining which extreme is worse, is by imagining you were drawing lots that would determine your position in society - with a risk that you could draw a lot of that would make you the weakest member of society (e.g. a young or elderly, disabled, minority ethnic woman who grew up in foster care and is in an abusive relationship). Which America would you rather live in? The extreme right or the extreme left?

For me the answer is obvious and suggests that American right wing extremism causes far greater day-to-day harm and hardship than the left wing equivalent.

There are examples of left-wing extremism in the world, do you really think you'd be better of living in China, Russia, Vietnam, Cuba etc, you don't have to think what it would be like, you could do research and find out what it's like.

OtherS · 11/09/2025 21:55

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:43

That is an interpretation, for sure. The same argument could then be used to say that Graham Lineham should be prosecuted for saying "punch them in the balls" which only 2 days before the right wing supported as "free speech".

The people celebrating this murder on social media, are telling you that they a) felt victimised by Charlie Kirks ideology and b) are pretty stupid for celebrating murder publically that can be seen by everyone forever.

The person who is dangerous is the person that bought a gun, and trained to use it to murder Charlie Kirk.

The advice to punch men in the balls if they are threatening you is entirely standard. Advice to lay in wait with a gun and then murder them in public, in front of their family, is not.

None or almost none of the people publicly celebrating the murder will pose any threat; they may love the idea of someone doing it, but very probably don't want to do it themselves. However, it just takes one person to think it's a good thing, and to see loads of other people also thinking it's a good thing, to act in the belief he's doing something heroic, for which he will be celebrated. And then someone else is murdered. And he's probably right, he will be celebrated. And so someone else sees him being celebrated, and thinks it's a good thing. Etc, etc.

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:55

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:53

I posted the sources to you, did you read them?

Did you use a LLM to generate a list of sources?

GoldThumb · 11/09/2025 21:58

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:50

Right, but you are cherry picking data and using verbose language to have an extreme view.

Most people by far are appauled at the murder, but you are inflating the voices of the extreme few to support your idea that there is a much bigger conflict going on than there is.

That is your choice, and it is my belief you are doing this to generate fear of a group of people without looking at the bigger picture which is wide-spread and unequivocal condemnation.

The arrogance of you to think that you know what’s inside my head. But I guess arguing against motives you’ve made up in your head is the easiest way to get your moral dopamine hit.

As the absolute authority on the motives of me, you’re wrong.

You are seriously saying you don’t believe someone can be scrolling through social media, and find the sheer number of, seemingly ordinary everyday people working everyday jobs, revelling in murder, scary?
People who are reposting hit-lists of who’s going to next, and you think, ‘oh, just shake your head and block, absolutely nothing to see here’

I don’t believe you.

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:59

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:55

Did you use a LLM to generate a list of sources?

You're being strange now. Either dispute the sources or don't.

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 11/09/2025 21:59

Charlie Kirk was a dick, but we don't shoot people for being dicks. One day someone might decide that my opinions make me a dick, and I would really prefer not to be shot for them.

The people revelling in someone's death - they are dicks. I still don't want them shot.

2021x · 11/09/2025 21:59

OtherS · 11/09/2025 21:55

The advice to punch men in the balls if they are threatening you is entirely standard. Advice to lay in wait with a gun and then murder them in public, in front of their family, is not.

None or almost none of the people publicly celebrating the murder will pose any threat; they may love the idea of someone doing it, but very probably don't want to do it themselves. However, it just takes one person to think it's a good thing, and to see loads of other people also thinking it's a good thing, to act in the belief he's doing something heroic, for which he will be celebrated. And then someone else is murdered. And he's probably right, he will be celebrated. And so someone else sees him being celebrated, and thinks it's a good thing. Etc, etc.

I agree with you for the majority, but I don't think this is the reported pyschology of a lone gunman.

From what I have seen these people are generally loners/live on the fringe of society and see themselves as "above influence" as they do their own "maticulous research". They would be more like "The Punnisher" and have an internal sense of justice.

CassOle · 11/09/2025 21:59

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:50

Why would you give your opinions on posts you haven't read? That's just...bizarre.

My post was about AI use, not your specific posts.

Please see the use of 'someone' rather than naming you in my reply to the quote I included.

2021x · 11/09/2025 22:00

nomas · 11/09/2025 21:59

You're being strange now. Either dispute the sources or don't.

Its a simple yes or no question.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 22:01

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 11/09/2025 21:59

Charlie Kirk was a dick, but we don't shoot people for being dicks. One day someone might decide that my opinions make me a dick, and I would really prefer not to be shot for them.

The people revelling in someone's death - they are dicks. I still don't want them shot.

Exactly.

nomas · 11/09/2025 22:02

@2021x here are sources again. They are all legitimate quotes. If you think otherwise, provide your sources.

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