Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

No we are not. The US is a different country. Conflating the US and the UK is partly what made stuff like BLM get out of hand.

Policies can work in one country and not another.

We have the strictest gun controls in the world. So strict that our medal-winning olympic pistol team can only practice with air pistols in the UK and have to go overseas to practice with the real thing. Americans look at us and think it is overly draconian. They don't seem to realise that people do own shotguns here and that there are still rifle clubs and cadets rifle training.

I think that our gun controls have been a success, but I can also see that they probably wouldn't work in a country as vast as the United States, with their history and antipathy towards government restrictions. The sadness is that the United States seem unable to have a constructive conversation that reaches a middle ground in which the gun lobby feel they retain the freedoms they need, while mentally ill school shooters find it harder to get hold of assault rifles designed to kill people. My view is that Charlie Kirk was all about facilitating a culture in which debates like that could happen.

As it happen, given the professionalism of this assassination, it is possible that gun controls would have protected him yesterday. They tend to protect against the mentally ill, but unsophisticated potential murderer.

It takes two to tango, doesn’t it? It isn’t just “Trump and his supporters” it’s both sides who are promoting violence.

The left are so frustratingly out-of-touch and self-defeating. If you are concerned about the far-right then this act, and the gloating and equivocation in its aftermath, is just going to swell its numbers, entrench the view that the left is toxic, and produce tit-for-tat sectarian violence where the next assassination will probably be an outspoken person on the left. It's beyond disturbing.

Not surprised by the trantifa allegations. I wonder if there is any connection to that cult which has murdered people recently?

Typo:
...would not have protected him yesterday. They tend to protect against the mentally ill, not

Zizians?

It’s not the same as in the US, but polarisation is a pretty big issue here too. On the one hand, there are people from my old uni that would have been happy to remove degrees from Christians. On the other hand, some Catholics I knew were mocking LGBT openly in public. I completely get that this is their faith, but people could have the decency not to laugh about it.

Abortion and guns were wedge issues in America long before Trump came down his golden escalator.

FBI have released an image of a person of interest.

https://x.com/FBISaltLakeCity/status/1966169520403525760

There’s a website giving the most disturbing details of women who have died in the USA in 2024/25 as a result of not being able to access abortion or even decent medical care for miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, stillbirth etc, because medics are afraid they will be imprisoned. Thirteen states now have a total ban on abortion for any reason.

I don't think it's very polite to say that women on birth control are automatically 'crazy and bitter' and that women over 30 are understandably not attractive to 30something men (despite the fact he married a 32yo)

Apparently all the kids at my daughter’s Brighton secondary school were talking about the shooting. He’s well known with the youth apparently, lots of his stuff cut up into chunks on tick tok and all that.

mentioned it to me not the other way round.

No - it’s not - there are no main stream politicians on the Democrat side - particularly no presidents calling for violence in the way that Trump does.

What you mean 'cut up into chicks'?

And would those policies on abortion, gun crime and immigration have been enacted even if Charlie Kirk had never existed at all? You are massively overestimating how much sway a single media personality has over country/court system/government administration. As if Trump would change his mind on something because CK disagreed with him! Even Elon couldn’t influence Trump much (and Elon has the sort of wealth that makes Trump cream his poorly fitting suit),

And Joe Rogan isn’t really a ‘Trump supporter’, is he? He’s a podcast host who has guests from all over the political spectrum and he officially endorsed Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a member of his family. I'm a rational member of the public, being told by hysterics like you that I "lack human decency" because I'm not responding as though he was my close relative or my hero.

The "morally correct way" would be to put this in the context of contemporary US political extremism, to which Kirk was a contributor. And in this context, it's not at all surprising.

And for those of us who are not American and not responsible for their culture and politics, and not able to influence such matters, it's of little consequence.

Sorry chunks. As in short 60 second extracts on social media etc

Seriously! If this is true I am no longer indifferent. That is shocking.

Presumably typo/autocorrect for ‘Stitch’

www.wikihow.com/What-Does-Stitch-Incoming-Mean

Chunks, not chicks. In other words bits shown out of context I would imagine.

I can see that it could be difficult for liberal politicians, say, who criticised Kirk a lot for his more extreme views, and shared little of his views. But they shouldn't need to acknowledge their differences when he was alive, people will believe they are truly upset of they just give a respectful statement about thr horror of the murder.

That's vile.

The far-right being the only promoters of political violence in western democracies is such a stuck-in-the-20th-century way of thinking. Have people not noticed the changes in the last two decades or so? The 'Anti' in 'Antifa' performs the same function as the 'Democratic' in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Rogan has been huge in marshaling young men to vote Trump, so has Charlie Kirk.

Wow, this is naive. The testament to how much influence Kirk had is how widespread and detailed the reporting of his death is.