Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

Its your lack of humanity that’s the problem. It’s a society problem. You don’t have the moral high ground here. You are contributing to a hyped up situation where people are being polarised which is global. Social media is not confined to country borders.

Exactly.

I just worry for the high profile feminists. For some on the extreme left they consider us to be as fascistic as they consider CK to be. Whether or not you thought he was a nice man is kind of irrelevant. The fact is a person has (likely) been shot for his opinions. I don’t know why this wouldn’t concern us all.

We have the strictest gun controls in the world. So strict that our medal-winning olympic pistol team can only practice with air pistols in the UK and have to go overseas to practice with the real thing

Piffle
https://www.britishpistolclub.org/

Exactly, and I think this is one of the main reasons this thread is in FWR. Women are in danger from radicalised men who feel entitled and resentful. As I posted, Bluesky posters (the supposedly kind, moral Twitter) are openly saying that JK Rowling should be next.

As I understand it, he argued something closer to "some [patriot] should bail him out for £30k or so, and ask him questions about his motivations so that the media is forced to acknowledge it" rather than "some patriot should bail him out and hold a celebratory party for how great he was".

I was only loosely familiar with Charlie Kirk's work from other people mentioning him but afaict he was an outspoken advocate of conservative/Republican policies like anti-abortion, pro-2A etc but I think people are trying to portray him as someone who just gleefully celebrated the deaths/attacks of children, Pelosi's husband etc out of sheer joy of being evil, and I think that's a mischaracterisation.

It would be v hard for me to respect someone who thought even 10yo rape victims should be barred from abortion. Imo that's a much more major difference in view than disagreeing on how to deal w migration, taxes etc

Or saying the Leviticus stoning to death law for gay sex was 'God's perfect law for sexual matters'.

That said, he clearly had a lot of talent and potential, brave enough to stand up for his beliefs. He was only 31, and in some ways I feel he was quite immature. Any chance he had to develop and contribute more of his evident gifts positively has been snuffed out.

RIP Charie
A great man
A man who spoke truths
A great father
A loving husband
A loving & loved son.
May his voice continue to be heard

Exactly. It's so US centric to act as if we have no gun access just bc we don't have their dangerous laws

Nah, I'm treating it as just another minor news story. You're the one hyping it up and very obviously attempting to dehumanise those you see as your opponents.

Im not just talking about members of his government.

I saw a TikTok earlier where a very intelligent young man said that if you’re against gun crime you shouldn’t be celebrating his death.

Bollocks is it naive.

Trump won in 2016 without any support from
Rogan and CK was barely old enough to drink.

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris fumbled their anointing handover of the Democrat baton fucking up 2024 irreparably.

But if you want to hand all the credit for Trump’s second win (and the overturning of Roe v Wade) to a couple of podcasters you must (secretly) have as little belief in the validity of the current democratic offer as those who voted for Trump do.

What he did say was horrible though:
He said that the stoning to death for gay male sex in Leviticus was 'God's perfect law for sexual matters.'

V nice.

People twisting it are awful, ofc. Always check quotes you see on SM.

What he did say was horrible though:
He said that the stoning to death for gay male sex in Leviticus was 'God's perfect law for sexual matters.'

V nice.

People twisting it are awful, ofc. Always check quotes you see on SM.

Same.

I think I'm very worried about how the existential-threat rhetoric combined with the casual "haha Luigi our hero" emboldens really crazy people.

Someone in the UK could have the same thing happen with a knife. The gun control angle interests me less than imagining how this could happen here. I go to a lot of events with GC feminists, free speech advocates, etc from a range of different views. Including ones which have had protests outside them. I can extremely easily see how that could escalate, I can visualise the rooms.

That really is shocking. I didn’t think my opinion of the American culture war could get much lower.

DARVO BINGO!

I think you have me confused with another poster. I haven’t said anything of the sort.

As I said. The inhumanity is that people felt the need to come and downplay a young man’s brutal and shocking murder to get their digs in, when they were perfectly able to scroll on by or just say that murder is bad whoever it is. And it certainly isn’t just you, you’re just an example, and not the worst on MN certainly. Anyway, not getting into any further argument about it, but people like you aren’t helping things, and you clearly don’t feel any personal sense of responsibility for adding to the febrile atmosphere.

Exactly that.

I don't think it's respectful, kind or measured to compare being actively gay to being an alcoholic or drug addict

Or to call women on the Pill automatically 'crazy and bitter.'

Or to say that women over 30 are understandably unattractive to men (even tho he married a 32yo!)

Or to say that the stoning to death penalty fir gay sex in Leviticus is an example of 'God's perfect law for sexual matters.'

Nothing about this is minor….

one of Trump’s besties gets shot, a charismatic successful right wing motivator. This could easily be the spark USA doesn’t need.

Yes, and also if you’re calling him out for not having empathy, don’t then demonstrate your own lack of empathy, or you just look hypocritical and tribalist. Be the better person.

I felt concern for AOC when I saw her responding to journalists asking her views on yesterday's events. She's frequently one of the people you see the Libtards of TikTok types railing at.