Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

[Biggadyboom]

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

Personally I won't be insulting or calling out. I'll be continuing to read, research. make up my own mind, write to my elected representatives, public bodies, support court actions, have debates and avoid folk who do nothing to solve the debate by insulting others online.

I work in the arts, I know many many people who consider themselves queer or under the trans umbrella. The vast majority of them absolutely believe all this, believe they are in the right and are not doing it to be perverted. Just like the many GC folk I mean are not resisting to be bigoted and evil.

Conflicts are fought by people who think they in the right. Or else why would they fight? ( bar course a minority of people who like conflict, are deluded or pychpathis etc)
I'm interested in a resolution. I hope it's coming.

No, it's irrelevant. You have zero evidence of anyone on here posting anything on X. Again, if you're bothered, you need to go on X and raise the issue there. Coming here and accusing MNers of being responsible for the actions of other people on a completely different platform- which has completely different moderation policies (none, basically), and completely different people posting on it- is both unreasonable and offensive.

And you wonder why we don't think you're posting in good faith.

You came on here scolding us for something happening elsewhere. People told you it wasn't happening here and didn't originate here and they weren't doing it, and you then scolded them for being "childish" and repeated yourself several times about "crossover". As you had brought it up, inevitably some posters made the point that they didn't think it was vastly important given the fuller context, including but not limited to the hounding of Sandie Peggie, the tsunamis of violent rhetoric and abuse targeted at GC women and the general Streisand effect when someone tries to scrub a plain fact from the record. And your response is to take all that entirely out of context, oversimplify, scold us again and declare yourself right all along.

No, seeing photos of him will show people exactly what the problem is.
Why are you so committed to hiding the truth from people?

No, it's not nice, especially for his wife but he must have known what would happen when he started to shit stir. Did he really believe people wouldn't retaliate?

Ye reap what ye sow and all that.

oh well.

dissapointed but bowing out.

Okie dokie.

The trans identifying males I know would never ever dream of forcing females to undress in front of them. No would they belueve it’s ok to force a vulnerable patient into an intimate examination vie coercion or deception.

Men who identify as women who believe women are nasty bigots and should have their lives destroyed for wanting privacy and the right to freely consent without retribution are abusive perverts.

Disappointed?

What were you hoping for?

showing his non binary wife (so by their definition also trans) and calling her

Her? How very transphobic of you to call Upton's non binary wife "her".

Of course Upton knows he’s male. He is a doctor ffs. Are you suggesting he thinks he’s female? Are you on the proverbial glue? You do know to become a doctor you study human biology? And of course he knew he was making women uncomfortable. He probably enjoyed the power.

us to grovel and admit that we are totally responsible for what people put on other forums.

Disappointed because your scolding didn't work.

Oh dear how sad never mind.

No, they believe they can hide behind what they know is a lie and force others to disabuse themselves of material reality or face the consequences.

Any man who enters women's spaces when he knows that could make the women there uncomfortable, knows exactly what he is doing.

Any man who gets a woman in trouble to making a factual statement about his sex, is playing a power game.

If your friends/colleagues don't acknowledge that, it's because they don't see women's needs/dignity having the same value as men's. It is that simple.

If you’re avoiding people insulting others online I assume you include transpeople in thst? I mean, have you seen the language they use about women and the threats they make to women just for saying no?

Are you sure she is NB? Theodore Upton stated on oath that they are in a lesbian relationship what with him being a woman & had suffered homophobia because of this.

Why is it reasonable?

I, for one, am not in twitter or any other social media. The twittersphere is a very big place...this forum is really quite small in the scheme of things.

If it had been good faith, OP would not have kept banging on about "crossover" and trying to shut people up when they said it wasn't their doing by calling them childish. They'd have said something like, "I'm GC but I'm uncomfortable with what's going on on X over this, what do you all think?"

It's possible that some people involved in it post on MN too, but it's not something happening on here and as a PP said, the call isn't coming from within this building.

A heterosexual man who enters a female changing room while cosplaying as a woman absolutely is a pervert in my eyes. It isn’t transphobia to call him that.

A decade+ ago it wouldn’t have even been a question. Now we apparently have some special men who “really believe” they’re women and we’re supposed to think they are just innocent men trying to find their way in the world? Even when they are doctors, who should be held to the highest standards of behaviour with regard to consent? Even ones who smirk on the witness stand and claim that they are actually female? If Upton really believes that then he isn’t fit to be a doctor. Even ones who make up false allegations about female colleagues who refuse to indulge their delusion? He should be struck off for his fabrication of his “contemporaneous” notes.

Even if there are such special men, as OP seems to think Upton is, how do we tell the difference between the cross dressing perverts and the special men with real lady feels?

People who say things like " terfs are transphobic" don't really see those that disagree with them as individuals from all walks of life; they just see them as one big group of hateful meanies. People who post here are not responsible for what others post on twitter, and nor do we much care what TRAS say or whether we play into their self serving narratives.

Nothing is ever enough for these people. It is a waste of time and energy trying to cater to their sensibilities about anything.

‘The constant interjections on the language I’m using, the threats or evidence about a risk of self-harm, or the extreme distress at being misgendered, contrasted with his demeanour as a witness when giving evidence - it was self-assured, tending to smug - his interventions and unruly behaviour about language, the bizarre attempt to have the whole case in private - it was an extraordinary application - the complete absence of any documentation, let alone any consultation of female staff, the lack of any process to allow men to self identify into female spaces, the cavalier approach to production of documents, the failure to investigate allegations about Dr Upton’s own behaviour - I’m going to suggest there is one cause that explains them all. It is that this is an organisation in the grip of a delusion…and that can only being sustained by bullying’.

Naomi Cunningham at the Sandie Peggie tribunal.

Do you think women who are protesting against this by accurately declaring that Dr Upton is a man and sharing pictures of his GMC registration with his name on it, should be tone policed? Women don’t have to be endlessly polite when standing up for their rights. Even if they loose their patience, they still have the protection of holding and expressing a belief.

When KJK was brave enough to stand up and shout “that’s a man” at Lia Thomas was her was at a swim competition, people considered her unkind and yet it proved essential to move the overton window.

Uptown’s wife is not responsible for his actions, however I have little sympathy for her when she is lending her support to him with seemingly no regard for women at the sharp end of his self centred crusade.

Dr Upton is being treated with contempt, as any other man who entered a female changing rooms would be. Growing your hair long and wearing your wife’s earrings when you enter a female changing rooms doesn’t make you any less of a predator than another other man who chooses to transgress women’s boundaries whilst they’re undressing.

This.

It would be totally out of character for Women from this forum to post like that. People tend to maintain their writing style and character across all platforms. This forum is overwhelmingly an articulate and reasoned place - unlike most others, and for many who post here this is the place where they come to discuss and share information on this issue. Many have no interest in engaging with the issue elsewhere on social media.

Take your argument to the place in which you find the issue.

yeah wish I had said that.

it was in good faith.

good bye x

(name change ahoy! ;-) )

The constant interjections on the language I’m using, the threats or evidence about a risk of self-harm, or the extreme distress at being misgendered, contrasted with his demeanour as a witness when giving evidence - it was self-assured, tending to smug - his interventions and unruly behaviour about language, the bizarre attempt to have the whole case in private - it was an extraordinary application - the complete absence of any documentation, let alone any consultation of female staff, the lack of any process to allow men to self identify into female spaces, the cavalier approach to production of documents, the failure to investigate allegations about Dr Upton’s own behaviour - I’m going to suggest there is one cause that explains them all. It is that this is an organisation in the grip of a delusion…and that can only being sustained by bullying’.

That's a magnificent summing up of the case- I hope JR was taking notes! "Self-assured, tending to smug" is a great line, definitely one to remember 😁