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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

621 replies

Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 08:22

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

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DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 15:51

If someone is following a policy of burying the thread in bullshit I prefer to remove any particularly fragrant nugget and reply to that, italicising the quote, and linking to the poster for clarity.

DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 15:55

Even if that's fuckwittery I remain unrepentant. Unless anyone can persuade me otherwise.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 15:59

feministmom4ever · 03/09/2025 15:44

Ideally both sides would be civil, but in practice that rarely happens. What sort of discussion are you looking for?

'Both sides'

What exactly was uncivil about women telling males to stay out of women's spaces?

Are we should to politely request it? Is it unacceptable to say "Respect women's legally held human rights to privacy and dignity and stop being dicks and invading single sex facilities as per the law?" Because it's not polite enough?

Does this somehow negate the law?

I'm curious

Tilts head

Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 16:03

DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 15:55

Even if that's fuckwittery I remain unrepentant. Unless anyone can persuade me otherwise.

It depends. If you indicate who the reply was to, or you want to depersonalise it and make it a general comment etc, and you are not then twisting the intention of the bit you quoted, then no. Not fuckwittery. That is, of course, the way we used to do it before the quote button.

That has not been the case with the poster who has been posting quotes without reference and too often the detachment has meant the quote has been twisted away from the intended meaning, or the context lost completely and something that is not relevant to the original quote has been posted, or it directly replied to the post with an answer but if several people had mentioned something or used the same part of a quote, no one knew who the fuck the remark was aimed at.

I don't think that fits your pattern at all.

SinnerBoy · 03/09/2025 16:07

Biggadyboom · Yesterday 11:15

someone asked what I consider transphobia

https://x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435

Great. A locked thread, so one of your followers, or someone you follow.

DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 16:12

SinnerBoy · 03/09/2025 16:07

Biggadyboom · Yesterday 11:15

someone asked what I consider transphobia

https://x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435

Great. A locked thread, so one of your followers, or someone you follow.

why did they steal our button?

😂

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 03/09/2025 16:16

I’m not on Twitter, it’s awful and most of us probably got put on a block list and/or doxxed etc back in the day for wrongthink, so I’m pretty sure that even now the witch hunt has calmed down a bit, the crossover is marginal.

I had no idea about Upton’s previous name, so thanks for sharing it. That makes it easier for me to reconcile with the way Dr Upton acts and appears than to try and use the name Beth. I’m not sure this thread will have the effect you hoped for, all you’ve done is ensure some more dead-naming (oh the horror!) over here as well as on Twitter. Well done.

borntobequiet · 03/09/2025 16:20

Howseitgoin · 03/09/2025 11:10

Firstly whether you can accurately detect sex (& you can't) isn't the point. The point is other cues are used & they aren't chromosomes, ovaries or genitals.

Secondly, it's a spectacular ignorance of biological variation. Yes biological variation is 'real' its why intersex people exist as well as ambiguity in morphology. Whilst most people's morphology will reflect their sex, exceptions exist as they do in gendered psychological traits.

Thirdly, the time is upon us where puberty blockers hormones & surgery will render natural puberty null & void. How will you tell then?

Secondly, it's a spectacular ignorance of biological variation. Yes biological variation is 'real' its why intersex people exist as well as ambiguity in morphology. Whilst most people's morphology will reflect their sex, exceptions exist as they do in gendered psychological traits.

Codswallop.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 16:20

I keep forgetting that if you weren’t on twitter you have a high likelihood of not having seen the pre-transition photos. And the photos used by the media really do look carefully curated.

When you see the before pics the situation really does become a lot clearer, I imagine. Particularly the height. And the power in the build that the clothes hide.

Typicalwave · 03/09/2025 16:32

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 15:59

'Both sides'

What exactly was uncivil about women telling males to stay out of women's spaces?

Are we should to politely request it? Is it unacceptable to say "Respect women's legally held human rights to privacy and dignity and stop being dicks and invading single sex facilities as per the law?" Because it's not polite enough?

Does this somehow negate the law?

I'm curious

Tilts head

One thing I’ve learned about men in general in the past 50 years is that- a ‘no’ from a woman can never ever be put politely enough

feministmom4ever · 03/09/2025 16:34

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 15:59

'Both sides'

What exactly was uncivil about women telling males to stay out of women's spaces?

Are we should to politely request it? Is it unacceptable to say "Respect women's legally held human rights to privacy and dignity and stop being dicks and invading single sex facilities as per the law?" Because it's not polite enough?

Does this somehow negate the law?

I'm curious

Tilts head

People are MN are pretty civil, yes, but OP was referring to X posts, in which the people can get rather unpleasant (TRAs much more so than GC people). Specifically OP was referring to posters calling Theodore Upton a pervert (which I don’t disagree with), but I also don’t think all TIM are perverts (I think it’s more complicated than that). I guess my point is that whenever GC people resort to the same sort of behaviors as TRAs there seems to be more backlash. I’m fully aware this is a double standard and it sucks.

AFishDoesntKnow · 03/09/2025 17:01

If anyone on here called Dr Upton a "pervert" I'd call it out as inaccurate. A self righteous, delusional twat, sure.

He didn't seem to be in the women's changing room to get off on it by all accounts - I.e. wasn't looking at anyone, used cubicles when available etc. That wasn't Sandie's complaint.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman, has the right to be there and screw everyone else.

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2025 17:03

AFishDoesntKnow · 03/09/2025 17:01

If anyone on here called Dr Upton a "pervert" I'd call it out as inaccurate. A self righteous, delusional twat, sure.

He didn't seem to be in the women's changing room to get off on it by all accounts - I.e. wasn't looking at anyone, used cubicles when available etc. That wasn't Sandie's complaint.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman, has the right to be there and screw everyone else.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman

If this is true (I don't think it is) then he has no business being a doctor.

We cannot be accommodating total delusion

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 17:11

feministmom4ever · 03/09/2025 16:34

People are MN are pretty civil, yes, but OP was referring to X posts, in which the people can get rather unpleasant (TRAs much more so than GC people). Specifically OP was referring to posters calling Theodore Upton a pervert (which I don’t disagree with), but I also don’t think all TIM are perverts (I think it’s more complicated than that). I guess my point is that whenever GC people resort to the same sort of behaviors as TRAs there seems to be more backlash. I’m fully aware this is a double standard and it sucks.

Most UK based prominent GC are not extreme at all.

Even KJK isn't particularly 'mean'. I don't agree with some of her political views, but it doesn't mean she's gone into the realm of toxic either.

The problem is that calling a male a male has somehow got put into the box of 'controversial' and 'bigoted'.

Biological isn't transphobic. It's just biology.

Women saying no is not 'toxic' either.

The same CAN NOT be said for UK based prominent TRAs.

There is a massive imbalance going on here in terms of what is regarded as acceptable for women to do and what is regarded as acceptable for trans activists to do.

It is not remotely equal.

This is precisely why I say "it's always about the behaviour and not the identity".

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 17:12

And the above very much goes even for twitter not just MN.

Namelessnelly · 03/09/2025 17:29

Howseitgoin · 03/09/2025 11:24

Lol, Giggle, a known exploitive grifter from way back searching the world over for a new con hitting pay dirt 'fund raising' for a case she knows she can't win but keeps her in the headlines of far right media outlets that pay well for cultist clicks & pats on the back from billionaire JKR tells you everything you need to know about her & the useful idiots that follow her.

She's successfully exploited the genuine concerns of women & made them appear ghoulish & demented in her un filtered irrational hatred.

Errrr. Dis you not do the exercises today? Remember we’re being kind, intentional and thoughtful. Are you admitting women have legitimate concerns about allowing males in female single sex spaces? That is progress indeed. Well done. What with this and you admitting TW are men I think you’re really getting somewhere. By the end of the week you’ll be a changed man.

ThatBlackCat · 03/09/2025 17:30

AFishDoesntKnow · 03/09/2025 17:01

If anyone on here called Dr Upton a "pervert" I'd call it out as inaccurate. A self righteous, delusional twat, sure.

He didn't seem to be in the women's changing room to get off on it by all accounts - I.e. wasn't looking at anyone, used cubicles when available etc. That wasn't Sandie's complaint.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman, has the right to be there and screw everyone else.

He asked Peggie when she was going to get undressed. That screams pervert to me.

In fact, any male in a female changing room - no matter what the reason, is automatically a pervert.

And I don't buy he went straight from bearded guy to thinking he was a woman. He knows he's not a woman. He knows.

Namelessnelly · 03/09/2025 17:31

AFishDoesntKnow · 03/09/2025 17:01

If anyone on here called Dr Upton a "pervert" I'd call it out as inaccurate. A self righteous, delusional twat, sure.

He didn't seem to be in the women's changing room to get off on it by all accounts - I.e. wasn't looking at anyone, used cubicles when available etc. That wasn't Sandie's complaint.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman, has the right to be there and screw everyone else.

But he knows he’s not a woman. He’s male. He’s a doctor ffs. Hell have grown up using male toilets and changing rooms. So what innocent reason can he have for wanting to access women’s single sex spaces?

DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 17:31

A man wearing a bra when he is in a changing room reserved for women, demanding that a reluctant woman stays and observes him. The same man declaring an intention to conduct intimate examinations on women who have specified that they do not consent to that.

Taken separately they'd seem perverse acts. Taken together? - it quacks like a duck.

DeanElderberry · 03/09/2025 17:34

My experience is that non-predatory men get very irritated by women trying to downplay or soften the creepiness of dodgy males. Almost as though, having experience of being male themselves, they spot those ducks early and know exactly how they act.

AnSolas · 03/09/2025 18:43

AFishDoesntKnow · 03/09/2025 17:01

If anyone on here called Dr Upton a "pervert" I'd call it out as inaccurate. A self righteous, delusional twat, sure.

He didn't seem to be in the women's changing room to get off on it by all accounts - I.e. wasn't looking at anyone, used cubicles when available etc. That wasn't Sandie's complaint.

He genuinely seems to be believe he's a biological woman, has the right to be there and screw everyone else.

He said that he expected staff that he works with to ignore their training around consent and fetch him to a woman who clearly said she only wanted same sex care provision.

He said that he would ignore his training around consent when a woman clearly said she only wanted same sex care provision.

He was in a hospital with senior staff who wanted SP handcuffed by police held in a jail cell and facing charges for objecting to a male staff member deciding he had a right to use the female changing rooms.

Put that into context for the women who would be seeking medical help in that hospital.

Do you think he is too stupid to have not tried to work out his chance of "sucess" before he decided to make a report to his manager?

Then the staff attempted to cover up the fact that there was a disciplinary process.

And the staff involved (who should have known better) removed SPs right to a fair hearing and had reached a conclusion as to the outcome before even attempting to speak with SP.

Upton was more than happy to go along with the process he contacted his Union to try build a "better" case.

Prior to the incident Upton was keeping a list and track of when women refused to be in the womens changing room with him.

He made up a story about SPs professional conduct. If that report had been accepted as factual SPs employment could have been terminated or other sanction applied.

As a result of Uptons report SPs professional registration could have been impaired or removed. That would remove her current ability to earn a living and her pension rights into old age.

SP had a contractual obligation to use the changing room but no contractual obligation to provide Upton with companionship or participate in peepshow.

He has full access to the male changing room.

He decided to not use a male changing room.

Do you think the males who were happy to have a female member of staff hauled off to jail were going to object to him in the male changing room?

He choose to not finding a third place to change.

He choose to not respect the women (mainly nurses) who used that womens changing room.

Do you think if he had choosen to be the one "woman" (man who thinks he is a "woman") in with the men in a "mixed sex" changing room that is would have made a material different to him?

Why do you think he choose to force women into a mixed sex changing room situation?

Do you think that the staff who "rallied" round him did not tell him some of the women did not want him in the womens changing room?

Do you actually think that a trained medical doctor (under professional medical supervision) while being let loose in the general public attending the ED is unable to work out his own sex?

What single term would you use to sum up the actions of one of the other male doctors if he has no trans ID and is demanded a female nurse change her clothing in front of him when she objected ?

He is a > < ?

If Upton had managed to force SP into accepting that she had no right to a WSSS when changing and/or managed to have her nursing reg removed as a result of his story what do you think would happene the next time a woman believed she should object to an act where she believed his sex was relevent?

Exactly how confident could the next woman be if she needed to whistleblow into that NHS Trust?

Actually how confident can any current staff member be if they need to whistleblow into that Trust?

Do you think the Information Commissioner comming out out with damning the statement below is not a reflection on an underlying culture in the Trusts that staff are answerable to no Authority?

https://www.foi.scot/new-questions-over-nhs-fife-compliance

The petulant tone of NHS Fife’s latest statement is quite remarkable but it is the contents that concern me most. They have now cast doubt upon the assurances they gave me regarding compliance with my Decision Notice. I will investigate further and if the Authority has not indeed fully complied with my Decision then I may report the matter to the Court of Session as a contempt of court.”

Would you risk your whole future life by reporting any offending acts against your person to that management team?

Or would you cut your losses and find a new job?

Would you risk your whole future life and your personal freedom to protect a stranger?

[(Edited as MN ate my paragraphs🤷‍♀️) ]

New Questions over NHS Fife Compliance | Scottish Information Commissioner

New Questions over NHS Fife Compliance with Commissioners Decision Notice

https://www.foi.scot/new-questions-over-nhs-fife-compliance

ParmaVioletTea · 03/09/2025 18:54

SinnerBoy · 03/09/2025 16:07

Biggadyboom · Yesterday 11:15

someone asked what I consider transphobia

https://x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435

Great. A locked thread, so one of your followers, or someone you follow.

I looked at the X thread when @Biggadyboom first posted a link to it: it was open then. It's now only available to followers, so I think that the original Tweeter has locked or closed the thread & that's the issue here, not @Biggadyboom

NotAtMyAge · 03/09/2025 19:00

SinnerBoy · 03/09/2025 16:07

Biggadyboom · Yesterday 11:15

someone asked what I consider transphobia

https://x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435

Great. A locked thread, so one of your followers, or someone you follow.

No, just someone who shared the wedding photo complained about up thread with a very simple and non-"transphobic" comment and obviously got more reaction than she expected. I follow her and she is very far from abusive.

AnSolas · 03/09/2025 19:22

NotAtMyAge · 03/09/2025 19:00

No, just someone who shared the wedding photo complained about up thread with a very simple and non-"transphobic" comment and obviously got more reaction than she expected. I follow her and she is very far from abusive.

Agree the photo was just that with a hashtag of Upton(?) or some such.

No idea of what others posted under it as not on X.
( EM removed the ability to see any other posts🤨 cheepskate! He could have kept that 😕)

PolkaDotPorridge · 03/09/2025 19:51

@AFishDoesntKnow what a perfectly appropriate username.