Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

[Biggadyboom]

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

Safeguarding is irrelevant to 'guilt by association.'

Safeguarding for single sex provision usage uses historical behaviour (not stereotypes) of one sex to assess the risk to the other sex. There is no 'guilt by association' relevant to safeguarding.

This has been explained to you now over multiple threads. It is why conviction statistics are entirely relevant and valid to be used in making this safeguarding risk assessment.

You're Australian. Of course you don't understand, because you live in a country which, like Canada, has embedded gender identity ideology so firmly that gender now completely trumps sex where the rights of women are concerned. I've been following the Giggle v Tickle case with increasing horror at the fact the Australia no longer allows women to have anything or anywhere without the presence of men with inner womanly feelings. Sort out your own mess and come back when Australian women again have genuine equality and protected sex-based rights.

correct, biological variation is real.

Within each sex class, male and female, you will find a variety of phenotypes.

Next.

If I was to set up a nursery and I advertised it saying,
'We're not going to do DBS checks on applicants. We're not the kind of people who don't trust our applicants! Just because we know some people who actively try to get jobs working with children want to harm them, we're not going to assume it of you!'

What would you think of this company? What kind of people would apply?

You open a safeguarding loophole and the first thing that happens is that it is exploited by the very people you're safeguarding against. That is what they do. They're very good at it.

There are well evidenced reasons to keep men out of women's spaces. If a loophole is created for some men, it will be exploited. So no men are allowed.

(I realise this argument has already been repeated ad nuseaum, but I live for the time when maybe, just maybe, a TRA will say, 'oooh! Got it! 😄)

Studies have shown women can detect sex 96% of the time, so you are ill-informed. It is literally hardwired into women to spot a male as a survival instinct. But to suggest society and civilisation has flourished and reproduced by accident, for millennia, is batshit crazy.

Intersex (and the more acceptable term is Differences in Sexual Development or people with DSDs) actually confirms the binary nature of sex.

Lastly, puberty blockers are being banned all around the world now, so no, we won't.

1 Just because women are better at sexing individuals than men (TRAs seem really puzzled by this) it doesn't mean that women have to undress in front of men in changing rooms.

2 Biological variation within the categories of male and female doesn't mean that women have to undress in front of men in changing rooms.

3 Dr Upton has very obviously been through male puberty and shouldn't be in the women's changing rooms.

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He's not Australian. He lied when his Americanisms were called out.
Firstly, no one on this site uses the yank merriam webster or whatever it is dictionary. We all use oxford or cambridge or at a push dictionary .com. Secondly he said the word 'toilet' is vulgar in Australia. Toilet is only considered vulgar in the UK, so he confused Australia with the UK. Lastly he didn't even know what 'cooker' meant. He used a term wrongly to call GC women 'anti-vaxxers'.

He fucked up and made a fool of himself by posing as an Australian. Everything about him is American. He doesn't even have the balls to admit he's American.

Not to mention his usage of yank terms like 'do the math' [sic] instead of maths.

Lol, Giggle, a known exploitive grifter from way back searching the world over for a new con hitting pay dirt 'fund raising' for a case she knows she can't win but keeps her in the headlines of far right media outlets that pay well for cultist clicks & pats on the back from billionaire JKR tells you everything you need to know about her & the useful idiots that follow her.

She's successfully exploited the genuine concerns of women & made them appear ghoulish & demented in her un filtered irrational hatred.

Why is it so important to you that men are permitted unfettered access to every single resource, even single sex facilities? Do you think women need to be monitored?

"Firstly whether you can accurately detect sex (& you can't) isn't the point. The point is other cues are used & they aren't chromosomes, ovaries or genitals."

We don't need to see chromosomes, ovaries or genitals to be able to reliably correctly identify the sex of a male person with interaction. Body cues are reliable and there are a huge number of them that the brain takes in subconsciously and categorises someone.

If you cannot correctly identify the sex of a male person with interaction, please don't assume your experience is the universal experience.

"Secondly, it's a spectacular ignorance of biological variation. Yes biological variation is 'real' its why intersex people exist as well as ambiguity in morphology. Whilst most people's morphology will reflect their sex, exceptions exist as they do in gendered psychological traits."

It is not acceptable to leverage the very very few people in the world who have a DSD where the person does not utilise testosterone during puberty to destabilise the sex categories to allow male people to access female single sex spaces (for instance, like the hospital female changing room).

"Thirdly, the time is upon us where puberty blockers hormones & surgery will render natural puberty null & void. How will you tell then?"

Puberty blockers rarely produce a male person who has erased all the male body cues that are visible when out in public. This is a myth. And it also would depend on age when the blockers are given and if you think in 10-20 years that boys who haven't even started puberty will be getting puberty blockers, I would think you might be surprised. And surgery? Really? You think surgery will erase all the male body cues? No.

And we need laws that are suitable for what is known now also, not some magic future that may not even happen.

Plus, male people who know that they are male should respect the law that says that they are excluded. Regardless of puberty blockers or surgery.

Oh, I didn't pick up the 'math' bit.

No. We don't say 'math' in that context at all. 'Maths'.

Hummmm....

Hoist with his own petard?

How to spot an incel 101.

Any male who tells a woman that she has no right to say no to anything regarding a state of undress, vulnerable conversations involving close bodily contact and medical situations.

No matter what the context.

No exceptions.

Transcels are just a subset of incels.

I see you don't actually understand the strategy that has been known for a while.

This case is going to have to go to the high court of Australia. It is why the submissions were set out the way they were.

And it might well lose there too. But in the meantime, the government at the time will also have a great deal of pressure to remove gender identity as being the same priority in the Anti-discrimination Act that Gillard changed in 2013 after she went to the Yogyakarta conference.

And the people donating understand this. You obviously didn't though.

'She's successfully exploited the genuine concerns of women & made them appear ghoulish & demented in her un filtered irrational hatred.'

You come across as really hating women who disagree with you. This type of hatred is very disturbing to see on a feminist board.

The article that was posted did not reference any content posted by J K Rowling that said what this poster has generalised and claimed that she has said.

Despite all the condescending and patronising that came with the posting of that link.

Transcels are just a subset of incels.

This

Understanding of this crucial point is growing

Doesn't understand safeguarding, consent (even in the workplace), illegitimate and legitimate discrimination ....

Imo its a choice.

other poster are forced to read the copy/paste then scan the trite evidence/ proof reply.

It breaks the history when its a clip copy/paste when the personal attack is based on misleading the reader

Etc

we all know he understands perfectly well, of course.

Inconvenient truths are inconvenient and have a habit of filling certain types of men with impotent rage

Transcels are just a subset of incels.

Remember when a couple of transmaxxers came to MN FWR to 'educate' us. They certainly did do that.

I think that some posters have no idea the amount of 'education' sessions we have had. This week is just another.

Yes.

Keeping posts detached from the original also means that several times now we have had posts that have suddenly changed enough from the context to then invite the derogatory reactions from that poster with all the 'false', and 'comprehension fail' to the outright accusations of lying.

I would think from seeing the claim of how many forums the poster contributes to, that this MO has worked in the past. Maybe because it probably works in forums where everyone agrees.

It is not an open and honest way to have a discussion on this board. It is eye opening to see the hypocritical claims that 'alternative opinions are not welcome' when those opinions are book ended with derogatory remarks and even abuse at times.

Gosh, thanks. It's really helpful to have a timeline of JKR's increasingly public championing of women's sex-based rights and the importance of child safeguarding. Very useful.

Sure, sure, sure... Now you've got that nonsense off your chest I hope you feel better.