Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

She is imagining ( anticipating) a likely situation. You must surely see this. You have children of your own, yes?

Absolutely. Any distress the child might feel on being correctly sexed is entirely the responsibility of the adults who should be parenting, teaching and supporting them.

I'd argue the solution is to stop focusing on gender conformity ie it should be ok for boys to wear pink skirts if they wish, but that doesn't make them a girl

In the 1980s, plenty of girls with short hair. Some New Romantic boys wearing make up. But we all knew what sex they were, and so did they

Now, it seems all girls wear long hair because they don't want to be mistaken for a boy, or assumed to be trans / lesbian. That seems like a regressive step

Why would the child listen to the staff when his mum has told him that what he sees is the correct interpretation?

Her son is 8 years old and disabled. She is not coaching him to say anything...instead she is anticipating that he will refer to a girl as a girl, and a boy as a boy.

Material reality is pretty clear when gender ideology comes up against sex linked disabilites, and gender ideology always loses. A little boy with, for example, Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy does not miraculously recover when he declares himself to be a girl, grows his hair and insists on she/her pronouns.

We must all kneel in awe when beholding a member of the sacred caste. Our own feelings and beliefs are of no importance whatsoever.

Worth remembering that transactivist groups have made a beeline for every child centred organisation to impose their distorted view of the world on children. Children who are too young to navigate the complexities, falsehood and nuance of al this. That's why schools, children's charities, the BBC etc have been awash with safeguarding busting pronouns and fantasies about sex change for even the youngest of children.

This is an adult issue and no parents should be bullied, intimidated or shamed for insisting that children's lives are grounded in reality and not adult fantasies.

Shame on this charity for a major safeguarding fail.

What poor form from Over The Wall, and organisation which could do so much good for disabled and chronically ill kids. Very very poor.

Asking how disabled children like to be referred to is not particularly outrageous and part of respecting their rights to self-expression, something that can be really hard for those children who need constant care

I do think seeing these kind of things on forms is a part of what is fuelling the social contagion though. It's another thing putting in people's heads that they or their children might have a gender identity which is different from their sex. Rates of gender dysphoria rose 50 fold between 2011-2021 according to the BMJ, and there are lots of causes but when questions become so widespread it makes people think that this is a common thing that might be an issue for them rather than a very rare mental health issue.

I was a bit dismayed when completing a form for my libraries summer reading challenge it asked if my child was male/female/non-binary/other. This was aimed at children under the age of 10 and it shouldn't be encouraged. I just rolled my eyes and ticked "male" but good on the mum here for calling out this nonsense.

What a mess. This highlights the implications of the total guddle that happens when people naively attempt ‘inclusion’ without an awareness of all the issues and what inclusion actually means.

We can’t know how aggressively she stated her views and whether there was a reasonable point that she is likely to make another family uncomfortable. However the idea that she and her son should be compelled to go along with the other family’s adherence to something akin to a religious belief - outrageous. They can’t possibly ‘include’ everyone if they take that stance.

Are you the mother, or have you ever been the mother of an eight year old child going away from home for the first time? If so, you will know and understand that a parent will imagine a whole range of scenarios and how their child might respond, react or feel.

The way she is expressing her concerns is to the camp leaders and organisers, and she is clearly concerned that the children are all going to be told from the start that they are to be 'kind' and use the 'correct pronouns' for another child. She cannot accept this because she is concerend what would happen if her child naturally says 'she' or 'girl' or vice versa.

The report also seems to be emphahsising certain things for maximum dramatic impact and to generate clicks and interest.

And yes their absolutely are trans children, very rare pre puberty but we have (now adult) person in the family, as young as 3 was saying it

How on earth to differentiate between the transgender 3yo boy who says he's a girl, and the transspecies 3yo boy who says he's a train engine? How on earth to know which one to jolly along and which one to remind of reality. Yes, even train engines have to get into the bath.

Yes that's how I know a child will take that to mean that their assessment is correct and that anyone other than their mum (perhaps) is incorrect.

Well usually you would be able to rely on staff to tell you the truth.

Which is entirely why this ideology causes a safeguarding issue.

So are they supposed to reject disabled children for the crime of identifying as trans, or tell them they can only come if they accept they aren't trans? That would be pretty mean, wouldn't it?

No point discussing further with you.

She isnt concerned. She is being confrontational. If she was concerned, she would ask what may happen if her child was to use the "wrong" pronouns for a child. She wouldn't approach it this way. She wants to vent her views. Her child's experience is secondary to her at this point.

No, but the child's parents must not expect special treatment on account of it.

No child is 'trans'....in that all children are the sex that they are.

If parents are going to indulge a fantasy they should keep it to themselves and not expect others to indulge it too.

Why would the child listen to the staff when his mum has told him that what he sees is the correct interpretation?

Has she? Or is she insisting on his right to be honest and to describe the world as he perceives it? His right to not be forced into speaking lies.

What mistake has the son made if
• he correctly sexes someone and
• uses the correct sex based word associated with the sex of the person?

Given the mum is the only one telling the truth here, that would be a wise conclusion for the child.

There's no suggestion her child is going to be punished if he says a boy is a girl or vice versa. After all, children may misgender each other just because they think someone with long hair must be a girl, or indeed just because they have language problems. She's built a mountain out of the molehill of one question on the entry form.

I'm put in mind of the recent case in which a veterinary practice deregistered Allison Bailey because of her GC views and then tried to blame it on her being a difficult client. It appears to be something of a script. I suspect that the charity may have dealt with other potentially "difficult" or even "nightmare" parents far more sympathetically and without excluding their child.

He is a child. The world as he perceives it is pretty much an illusion and that's without the existence of people "changing" their gender. She's insisting on her child's right to assign people's gender as he (a child) sees fit.