Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

Well I think that's a leap. A Muslim person may be expected share space with a Jewish person and accept that they are of a different religion. They're not expected to share each other's beliefs, though.

And as I was saying, I'd expect this to be almost a non-issue if this was at a group holiday for something that had nothing to do with religion and of more significance if religion was the purpose of the getaway.

Were the disabled children going away for some sort of activity related to gender identity? Or sort of like a summer camp thing where they do outdoorsy stuff?

Its a christian camp insisting that the child and mother believe that "Christ has Risen" in order to attend.

They believe in gender and dont place importance on sex. Which is a problem when safeguarding and safeguarding risk assessments require the designer to understand the importance of being able to recognise sex and to be able to be truthful.

The beliefs were clearly documented by the staff member.

So either
a) the staff member made a decision which was not per policy or
b) the policy was followed.

As the organisation is not offering an apology or discussing retraining of staff (b) would be held to be true.

Then that would be the complete opposite of what is being discussed here, wouldn't it? That would be a case where the children were wrong about the sex of the other child and therefore should be corrected. The situation the mother fears at the camp is that her son may be 'corrected' about the sex of another child when he was not wrong.

If one child's fantasy (or is it their parents' ie transhausen by proxy?) impacts the lived reality, experience and safeguards of all other children, then yes. Perhaps the parents of the supposed 'trans child' should have prepared their child that not everyone will go along with their fantasy and they need accept that and accept they cannot force other children to see a different reality. If the child wasn't spoiled and mollycoddled and taught they can order people to lie, then it wouldn't be a problem.

On the contrary, having had what I suppose could be called 'mental health issues related to gender', or 'gender dysphoria' as a child, if that is an acknowledged thing, I can tell you that the least useful thing would have been to 'pander to my delusions' .

It is cruel to tell a child that if they keep saying they are the opposite sex, if they keep insisting that other people accept them as the opposite sex, they will actually be able to change sex - holding out the possibility future of non-medically-necessary chemical and surgical interventions at worst, or living their lives in a questionable identity at best.

The term 'transgender child' is inappropriate - it is sticking a highly contested, adult label on a child who deserves to be treated as an individual little human being who is either a boy or a girl, and who will inevitably grow up to be either a man or a woman.

'Being a man' or 'being a woman' does not have to be limited to the gender stereotypes that the trans movement has reinforced - a gender-questioning child can grow up to be a gender-non-conforming man or woman. Labelling them 'transgender' at a young age is forcing gender stereotypes onto them - if you're not a girly girl, you must be a transboy etc.

And yes, it does imply that there is something wrong with their bodies, so although the trans movement has 'retired' the 'born in the wrong body' thing, probably because it was so obviously at odds with the body positivity movement, the implication is clear: a little boy who believes he is a girl, or a little girl who believes she is a boy, have an obvious disconnect with the inescapable reality their physical bodies.

What gender-questioning children need is loving, caring, understanding but fact-based support to help them accept that they have been born with just one of the two biological sexes, and it is impossible to change that - now how can we lovingly support you to grow up in the sex you were born with, free from stereotypes, loving yourself as you are, and the body you will always have?

So the reason given for rejecting this child - “Our decision was influenced by the fact that we had accepted a family with a transgender child for that camp" -
is based on the damaging idea that a child can be 'transgender' - no, a child can be gender-questioning - 'transgender' is an adult label that damages children's freedom to grow up beyond gender stereotypes.

The use of the affirmation only approach for young children is at best very controversial.

See Cass report.

Why shouldn't she 'vent' her views? Why should she say nothing and be silent? You can be damn sure the 'trans child' 's parents would not be silent! A woman stating her view is now 'confrontational'!? Sounds misogynistic to me. This is how batshit ridiculous this pernicious ideology is.

There is no need for that question to even be on the form! It signifies ideology, and is confrontational. It has no place even being on a form that deals with innocent vulnerable children.

Agree 👆

I find it disturbing how many people are quick to label this mother "a nightmare" or "a problem" based on the heresay of someone else and on her having - gasp! - the gall to voice her own views. 'She should have just kept that answer blank"...why should she have to hide her views? I doubt very much the conversation went as the clinician reported.

It's best that we encourage an open environment where we discuss how people vary despite being the same sex.

Completely agree. Which is why organisations need to stop lying to children about sex.

No one is "assigning" a 'gender' (I presume you mean sex) to a child. You are using religious and ideological terms.

Sex is assigned the moment the sperm enters the ova. You're either a male or female. That's it. And pronouns are sex-based.

She is insisting on her child's right to say 2+2=4 and not 7. That her child not be gaslit to deny reality, to deny their eyes. It's something any responsible mother who safeguards her child would do.

Absolutely.

There has been an enormously damaging culture of silencing that has allowed this ideology to take hold.

Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility. Staying silent (though understandable given the backlash) is being complicit at this stage.

Criticising someone for speaking up on a safeguarding concern? Why has this become acceptable?

It’s not being polite. It’s encouraging young children to accept the lie that we can be born in the wrong body or that humans can change sex. It fucks with the brain to see a male and feel obliged to say she/her. Why cannot the trans identifying child be told that they can view themselves however they want but that they must not expect other people to see them as they would want? It’s not ‘kind’ to encourage the majority to lie to enable a child to not have to face reality.

If only there were some laws which obliged the UK State to provide for education and medical care to children with complex medical needs and safeguard against abusive parents locking their children up at home.

This abusive mother was looking at having her her 8 year old child attending a camp with other children and other adults.

And for the readers changing places campaign to provide families with access to public toilets
https://www.changing-places.org/
And a little win

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/changing-places-toilets-for-severely-disabled-people-to-be-compulsory-in-new-public-buildings

Children can assess sex accurately the vast majority of the time.

So can adults, especially women.

Unfortunately this type of behaviour is rife amongst the charity sector and it is well & truly captured. The girl guides has recently advertised for a safeguarding officer & the first image on the ad is of them at Pride with their rainbow flags. No pictures of their activities or participants but a very prominent display of their rainbows. They're sending a very clear signal of the type of candidate they want without explicitly saying so.

@Ihavetoask You seem to be concerned that the child will mistakenly mis-sex another child and this will cause harm.

The situation is that trusted adults are actively demanding the child mis-sex another child against the evidence of his own eyes. This is harmful to all concerned.

There is no evidence that the former is happening, while the latter is what the whole situation is about.

I know a couple of transwomen, who are referred to as "she" in our circle. But as time goes on, rather than getting used to it, I feel more and more annoyed that I am expected to go along with this. It does indeed fuck with my brain, and I feel I am coerced into a lie in order to "be kind".

The camp staff are Genderists just like Jewish or Muslim or Christian belivers they have a belief system which they follow.

In this case they demand was that the mother and the child follow a faith pratice of knowingly and actively mis-sexing people.

When the staff member phoned she explained how the belief and belief pratice applied to the camp and the application process. When the mother explained she was not of that belief system and did not follow the same belief pratice the staff member rejected the childs application and put the contact details on a no contact list.

No, children aged 8 and above also go to school, where they are socialised by teachers and peers. That's why organisations pushing gender ideology have worked so hard to get into schools to promote their beliefs. This child has not purely been exposed to his parents ideas about sex and gender.

You're right that 'we have no idea what the family has been teaching the child about gender', yet your posts make a lot of assumptions about what that has been.

Humans can't change sex. This child has eyes and a brain and can very likely sex other humans accurately. Requiring him to pretend another person has changed sex, to make that other person happy, is exploitative.

So not addressing them then. In any case it is vital that children are able to describe what they see. They must not be gaslit and told someone they know is the opposite sex or coerced to pretend they are.

But also for the other child - social transitioning is not neutral. It embeds a false belief in a child. Pronouns relate to sex and they wish everyone to use wrong-sex pronouns to uphold a fantasy about themselves. It is not safe for children to be told they can force the world to pretend things that are false.

Pronouns are rohypnol.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

By calling a male 'she', you are being required to pay lip service to the belief that male and female are identities which can be picked and chosen, rather than descriptors of biological reality. You are being required to experience discomfort and make more mental effort, to 'be kind' to someone else without any reciprocity or any acknowledgement of the impact it has on you. It's neither equal nor neutral.

This tiktok, reposted by James Dreyfus, clearly illustrates the dangers to children when organisations buy into gender ideology.

Thank goodness this tomboy girl's step mum was sensible.

https://x.com/DreyfusJames/status/1961341405617406322