Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

Nope but nice straw man

What they do is tell their parents exactly what I said above ie your child is more than welcome to come and present however they want however we cannot and will
not control how other ppl see them and you need to prepare them for the fact that other ppl may therefore use the pronouns of the sex they are rather than the one they see themselves as

https://www.otw.org.uk/residential-camp-handbook/adults-info/camp-accommodation/

'All campers and volunteers stay in modern residence-style accommodation at each of our sites (we don’t sleep in tents!). Depending on the site, our rooms sleep between 1-8 campers of the same team.
Please note that due to the structure of our camps, including team arrangements and accommodation, siblings of different genders or ages will not be able to share a room.'

But people of different sexes can share a room, provided one of them utters the magic 'trans' word?

'At Over The Wall Camp, we strive to be as inclusive as possible and meet the needs of every camper, so please get in touch if you have any questions or queries about bedroom arrangements.'

Is she? She would have no idea if little Bobby her son saw at camp is a boy or a girl so how could she tell her child that the person she saw today with long hair and a football kit on is definitely male or female? She's telling her son to look at Bobby and guess and stick to that guess regardless of what others say.

Well she hasn't really. Actually, she was proved quite right, as there was a child at the camp that her child was going to be expected to mis-sex.

They’ve plainly discriminated against a disabled child on the basis of his mother’s lawfully held views. That’s appalling. Whether she’s “a nightmare” or not is irrelevant.

They have fallen into the trap of so many organisations following “DEI” in prioritsing gender identity above all other protected characteristics, based on their own personal beliefs

'Our camps run with the help of a team of volunteers who are fully DBS checked along with staff who are also DBS (PVG in Scotland) checked.'

What if they said this to a girl who is a tomboy? Yes we know you are a girl BUT because the kids think you look like a boy, you need to get used to them calling you "he". If you want them to call you she, grow your hair and wear a dress.

And yes their absolutely are trans children, very rare pre puberty but we have (now adult) person in the family, as young as 3 was saying it

You do realise, I'm sure, that 3 year olds say all sorts of things, some of which make no sense whatsoever? Also that 3 year olds pretend to be all sorts of things that they are not.

was expressing gender non conformity at preschool age

What on earth has gender non conformity got to do with this? Have we gone back in time 10 years? Nobody even suggests any more that gender stereotypes have anything at all to do with transgenderism.

Gender identity and transgenderism are now all about how a person 'feels inside'. It's nothing to do with stereotypes. And how a person 'feels inside' to a large extent cannot be described, so we have no way of knowing if one person who claims this feeling has anything in common with others who do. Of course 'gender identity' also has no real definition and nobody can explain why the way a person 'feels inside' should have anything to do with how other people treat them or talk about them.

It's bizarre that this absurd belief system has been foisted on children, particularly children who have complex care needs already.

And the child has been punished- don't agree and pander to holy grail of trans? No camp for you!

No, I think that disabled children who identify as trans should be able to go. It should, however, be made clear that being correctly sexed is not a big deal and that the other children will not be forced to use 'preferred pronouns'.

Some disbilities make it very difficult to lie. I can remember a big drama when a transwoman was 'misgendered' by a young person with Down Syndrome. The transwoman insisted that having this syndrome was no excuse, but the transwoman was being completely unreasonable.

The child could look like their chosen sex and her child may have used those pronouns. Much easier for a child to look androgynous than an adult.

If the child 'passes' that well, there'd be no risk of 'mis-gendering' and noone would need know about it.

We're not talking about a boy with long hair being mistaken for a girl. We're talking about (eg) a boy with long hair saying that he is in fact a girl.

Where does a severely disabled child (or any child for that matter) get the idea that they were born in the wrong body?

I am talking about children who identify as their correct sex but might not be gender conforming in their appearance by traditional standards.

as a girl who was a tomboy I was still very rarely mistaken for a boy and when I was I laughed and said I'm a girl because you know I was 8!!! And also because in the 70s girls having short hair, wearing trousers and climbing trees was very normal

if adults weren't so keen to force out dated gender stereotypes on children then maybe we wouldn't be where we are

What if they said this to a girl who is a tomboy? Yes we know you are a girl BUT because the kids think you look like a boy, you need to get used to them calling you "he". If you want them to call you she, grow your hair and wear a dress.

If adults weren't pretending that children can be the opposite sex, this would not arise. Children need to be able to trust the adults looking after them to tell them the truth.

If everyone told the truth about sex this would never be a problem. As it shouldn't be.

That also shows that the libraries data collection and data processing policy is very sub-par. The library has no need to collect gender identity information which is a mix of medical and belief data and no legal obligation under the Equality Act.

And safeguarding children im Data Protection should be about collecting the minimum amount of data possible.

Point to the part in the article that says the mother has taught her son that long hair = girl and short hair = boy and he must aggressively insist that to be true to any passing tomboy.

You can't, because you've made it up. Nowhere does it say that the mother has taught her child that children must conform to gender stereotypes, or that he's been taught to be rude to children who don't. Humans are really good at correctly sexing each other.

A mother of a disabled child wants to know that those taking care of him will not will not force him to go along with someone else's fantasies, and will not censure him for stating reality. This reality is especially important for disabled children who may need intimate care and who are at increased risk of being abused compared to non disabled children.

That is more important than luxury beliefs about identities, or it bloody well should be to an organisation working with disabled children: you know, the actually marginalised and vulnerable.

She is stating that she doesn't agree with the quasi-religious beliefs that humans can change sex and that people can choose their sex. She doesn't want her child indoctrinated with this belief which she doesn't share.

Her belief is protected in law (Forstater). She has been discriminated against on the grounds of belief. Her child has been discriminated against on the grounds of his mother's belief.

If the child 'passes' that well, there'd be no risk of 'mis-gendering' and noone would need know about it.

But that child would still be being deceived about themselves, would be being lied to and promised a poisoned chalice.

That child would be being actively harmed.

That annoying tiger mum might be primarily concerned with safeguarding her own child, but she would be doing the other child a massive favour by anchoring the camp in reality.

expressing gender non conformity at preschool age

There is no 'right' way to be a sex or gender. I as a girl liked to play with toy cards and transformers toys, was I 'expressing' being a girl wrong?

The equivalent, I suppose, would be a form asking if your child is Protestant or Catholic. The underlyign assumption is that they are Christian, and there is no way to state that one isn't Christian.

Agreed. I am a bit younger than you and "sex changes" were more of a thing in the 90s. I was regularly asked if I wanted to.change my sex and be a boy because I liked "boy things" in primary school (I left there in 1996). I do think where we are today is a result of a much slower change that started when I was a child.

Has she?

Why is it that the staff in the charity had a "meltdown" and put her child on the no contact list?

Why was it that the child and the mother must lie to be accepted?