Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

There are no trans children. I wanted to be a penguin when I was three; does that make me trans-species? Fucking ridiculousness from stupid parents who have to stick a label on their child in order to make themselves feel special.

For a minute I thought that the whole 'you feminists are responsible for transing kids because you really believe in stereotypes ' was a new one.

But actually, it's just a rehash of the whole 'anyone who doesn't meet your beauty standards blah blah blah' guff isn't it?

I would imagine this has already been robustly commented but are you seriously suggesting that there has only been one rape investigated on NHS premises?! I don't know what you say to you if you really believe that but here's a little light reading that took me at least 10 seconds to find.

www.bbc.com/news/health-65671018.amp

www.bbc.com/news/health-65671018.amp

The charity staff could have ignored the comment but they chose to engage with the mother MONTHS after the application was submitted.

They then chose to lecture her on the importance of pronouns.

They then chose not to accept her child based on her apparent GC views not aligning with theirs.

They then chose to lie when approached for a statement and claim it was due to the mother’s aggression.

All choices they made.

It's recorded in Hansard. Baroness Nicholson spoke to the woman and knows all the details of the case. Obviously these details cannot be made public.

Health and Care Bill - Hansard - UK Parliament

This is the relevant part of her speech.

However, a rather wonderful lady—I cannot say who she is—was raped in hospital by a man about a year ago. There is only one definition of rape in Britain and that is male on female; you cannot rape if you do not have the structure of a male. She was raped and she naturally reported it to the police. The police spoke to the hospital, which informed them that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened. They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers. None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened. It is on record—I know where the case happened, who the police are and where the hospital is. I know everything about it because she gave me the full case to make sure I knew that what she was saying was true.

During that year she has almost come to the edge of a nervous breakdown, because being disbelieved about being raped in hospital has been such an appalling shock. The hospital, with all its CCTV, has had to admit that the rape happened and that it was committed by a man.

Here's a WRN report on the same topic:

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

2088 rapes in hospitals. And those are just the ones that were reported.

But apparently, because the woman needed to not progress the case because of her mental health, the Baroness is to the doubted. Because the skeptics said that because of the lack of verifiable information released to the public, it must be a falsehood to be doubted and dismissed.

Why are we dismissing this again?

There’s never anything new because it’s all bullshit and they know it. They think they can come here with a bright, shiny rehash of their worn out old crap and that we’ll fall for it.

And there I was thinking there was a new one for the bingo card. Alas, no.

Sad times.

Was this validity of the rape mentioned by the Baroness being dismissed or diminished to reject that not knowing the sex of someone and being given false information about the sex of someone is not a safeguarding issue?

Was this to be denied in some sort of attempt to deny the comparison to any adult giving false information to a child about the sex of someone?

Sad times indeed 😊

I saw a post on Mumsnet a few days ago from a mother who remarked that their little boy had been quite into "girly" toys and colours etc and they'd been cool with that and just let him do his thing. But as soon as he started going to school she noticed that he stopped doing that and wanted "boy" stuff - camouflage patterns instead of pink etc. It's not the only time I've heard that sort of thing.

So I'd say never underestimate peer pressure, especially at times like a new school or going through puberty, when they're vulnerable because they haven't found their tribe and don't know where or even whether they'll fit in.

Especially in adolescence, they're likely to be pushing against their parents; even in a healthy family, that's a normal part of growing up. So is feeling that you are neither fish, flesh nor good red herring and that Mum and Dad will never understand.

Most teenage rebellions end harmlessly. Some of the ones that don't are ones where bad actors or even well meaning fools drive a wedge between the child and their parents. The men who convince an underage girl that illicit, unprotected sex is liberation. The drug dealers. The transactivists who say hormones and surgery will make you happy and anyone who says not is a hateful enemy and should be cut out of your life.

So don't assume that wanting to transition is always down to bad parenting. That's too simplistic.

Yes, apparently there has only ever been one sexual assault in the NHS and that took place in A&E so a peer reporting a rape of a women on a ward must be lying and therefore it is fine to coerce children to lie about what they see.

You probably have no idea how offensive - and wrong - you are. I don't claim to be a perfect parent, and nor do the other parents I have got to know who have trans-identifying children, but we are not as you describe.

I have really explained to my son exactly what I believe and think about the reality of sex (biological in case you are in any doubt) and the restrictive social construct "gender". Will you please stop making ignorant assumptions about people you do not know.

And you are projecting your very limited observation and experience onto all parents of trans children. This fits with your insistence that an incident which took place on a female ward is the same as one which occurred in A&E. Speaking with certainty from a place of ignorance.

I have to say, this is the biggest load of tosh I’ve ever read.

Based on what I’ve seen, obviously.

I would suggest that the poster is full of shit.

Also based on what I've seen.

Very much welcome any evidence to the contrary.

(Sets clock and realistic expectations...)

I think if there was any genuine connection between household gender expectations and children identifying as trans it would be super super obvious; and we wouldn’t now have an epidemic of such children in the last fifteen years, since prior generations were far more rigid in gendered thinking than the present.

Personally I see it similar to the anorexia - and other eating disorders - epidemic which I recall my contemporaries suffering through adolescence, that is, as a social phenomenon amplified by peer pressures.

Ok. I get that it can be hard to admit it to yourself.

It is super obvious. You literally see the trans people and their parents saying that the kid is a boy because they never liked dolls. And as I say, you still see people talking about their sex preferences for their children because they ultimately believe that sex determines personality and interests and that they'd be a better parent to a child or children of a particular gender based on stereotypes. We are pretty entrenched in these beliefs.

It poisons the children and that's the homes that trans kids come from.

Yes because all the facts align except for the ones the politician fabricated to make her point.

Then why do you support the ideology?