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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 19:11

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:04

Yet they probably wanted a girl or a boy because they believe they will have certain personality traits. They likely use language that feminises "nice" behaviour in boys, and emasculates assertiveness or physicality in girls.

No they don't say that little Tommy is a girl because he likes sewing and painting, but they always talk about how he isnt like other boys who like destructive and disruptive behaviour.

And no. I know these parents and have watched them interact with their children since they were young, some from babies, and that is not the way they interact.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

MarieDeGournay · 31/08/2025 19:10

I think you are over-estimating the power of parents to control how their sons and daughters identify. Families do not exist in isolation, children do not learn to be adults only from their parents.

As soon as a child opens a book, watches something onscreen, seems a selection of toys, is brought to buy clothes etc. etc. they are exposed to the current gender stereotypes. Then they go to school, and unless the school is very careful, and doesn't promote gender ideology, they will get another dose of stereotypes. Then at a shockingly young age, they get a smartphone [as young as 8 isn't unusual] and social media gives them another dose.

The messages the parents have sent to their children about men and women or boys ad girls are just a fraction of the conditioning that children receive about gender stereotypes.

There is no such thing as a child who has been brought up away from any messages about gender except their parents', unless they were brought up on a desert island.

Parents who do their best to instil in their sons and daughters a strong independence about who they want to be, regardless of what society says they should be, often find that either social pressures, or teenage rebellion against everything their parents say, has more influence that parental messages.

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:13

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 19:11

And no. I know these parents and have watched them interact with their children since they were young, some from babies, and that is not the way they interact.

I dont trust your interpretation purely because I have no idea if you say and think these things, yourself.

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 19:19

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

So you're saying that a member of the House of Lords ( who are not politicians btw) has lied in the House and claimed that a person sexually assaulted in A&E was actually a person raped in a ward then lied to by the hospital?

And that all parents of transIDing children have caused their children to be trans by being gender conformist?

Do you have any idea how sophomoric your posts are? Embarrassing.

MarieDeGournay · 31/08/2025 19:23

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

I agree with you, Ihavetoask, and that is why it is so important to highlight the negative effects of transgender ideology on girls [boys too, but you mention girls].

It's impossible for a girl to feel secure in her identity as a girl if she's hearing from multiple sources - the media, education, the medical profession - that her identity as a girl has no foundation in fact, and anybody, male or female, can be a woman, even men can be women if they say so.

The right of women and girls to be women and girls, with a clearly-delineated, factual, scientifically-verifiable definition of 'girl' 'woman' 'female is, is fundamental to the kind of strong identity you refer to.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 19:24

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

You don’t think four year olds believe what their teachers tell them?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 31/08/2025 19:27

SadSadTimes · 31/08/2025 17:48

This thread is absolutely WILD. Thank you all you wonderful wims who know about safeguarding and protecting children's understanding of reality. But truly, it must be exhausting.

It can be, but you get better at spotting ‘the script’, it starts off with the wide eyed, disingenuous, here I am, being all reasonable and genuinely wanting to debate in good faith, right through absolute falsehoods that have been debunked a million times, then the insistence that we all work with/know/meet completely passing TW every, single day, but have no idea, even though they are a tiny minority of people who just want to pee, then moving on to emotional blackmail, mentioning genocide, suicide, extermination, and seamless segueing into angry abuse, with the absolute pièce de résistance of a good old flounce.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 19:32

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:13

I dont trust your interpretation purely because I have no idea if you say and think these things, yourself.

I see. Why then do you trust skeptics groups and AI? We already know that some of the skeptics groups are quite specific in that they fully believe that male people can be 'woman'. So, I don't understand why you would put your trust in them. Yet your AI feed is listing Yahoo, GB News, and Skeptics and some South African references.

The AI feed is very clear that Baroness Nicholson discussed this in parliament. It is most likely from the Skeptics feeds that has expressed doubt because it was 'just one politician' who raised the issue, that she was asked not to name any further details because the woman was not going to take legal action.

Well... no shit Sherlock.

Why trust the skeptics? Oh.... right... because the skeptics have shown that they are very knowledgeable about why women would expect privacy around this incident. They have shown a depth of understanding why this woman who was very ill and lied to wants to be made public.... just like you have shown this depth of understanding. And obviously skeptics don't have any of their own biases at all....

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 19:33

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 19:19

So you're saying that a member of the House of Lords ( who are not politicians btw) has lied in the House and claimed that a person sexually assaulted in A&E was actually a person raped in a ward then lied to by the hospital?

And that all parents of transIDing children have caused their children to be trans by being gender conformist?

Do you have any idea how sophomoric your posts are? Embarrassing.

Yes Namey! Because the Skeptics told them so! Therefore it must be true....

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 19:36

So we know

  • women are raped daily in the NHS
  • the NHS allow men who claim to be women onto female wards including locked psychiatric wards
  • NHS policies have said any woman who does not agree a man who says he is a woman is a woman is a bigot
  • men who claim to be women are five times more likely than other men to commit sex offences
but a member of the House of Lords must have been lying when she said a woman was raped on a hospital ward by a man and the NHS lied about whether a man was on the ward because all the details weren’t reported in The Guardian?
Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 19:40

Apparently, the skeptic groups obviously have access to deliberately siloed information that has been kept out of the public because the woman did not wish the trauma of legal proceedings.

This is great! We should fucking ask the skeptics then to help us to keep track of all the reports on media where pronouns have obfuscated whether someone is male or female. Why the fuck didn't we think of this???

Oh... yeah...

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 19:48

Righto.

So you think a child should completely accept what an adult says to them about the sex of a child.

The adult is evidently and actively lying about the sex of a child.

Feminists on here believe that these lies should be challenged.

You say this should not be done in case the child mis sexes someone.

Because you think that feminists are really responsible for the trans identifying children because actually they are the ones supporting stereotypes?

And you also believe that a Baroness lied in the HOLs about a woman who was raped in hospital.

😂

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/08/2025 19:53

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:05

I think they are often oblivious to how entrenched in tradition their own views are.

I think you are totally projecting.

'Gender' is all about stereotypes associated with the opposite sex to that which one is. Sex just is. It says nothing definitive about personality, character or personal preferences.

The women's and the gay liberation movemnts were predicated on a rejection of gender stereotyping. Transgenderism simply re-inserts it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/08/2025 19:56

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

Being female is not an identity, it is a fact... one not changed by personal feelings. A male person, even one with a secure identity, is still not female.

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 19:59

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

I have had direct correspondence with the Baroness and she had personal conversations with the victim in question. Are you accusing either of lying?

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 31/08/2025 20:01

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 19:59

I have had direct correspondence with the Baroness and she had personal conversations with the victim in question. Are you accusing either of lying?

@BundleBoogie 'this never happens' remember, and If it did the trans identifying male is still the victim....

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 20:02

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 17:43

Who is bei g taught to lie to me? I'm sorry I'm just not fluent in all this hyperbole.

Your child in this example of "hyperbloe"

Per the opening post you become the mother with a child filling out the application form but ignoring the request for you to declare your belief system when it comes to gender.

You send your child to the camp.
There are adults and children there.

The adults have a socio-political belief that people must be allowed to control the way they are described by others.

You stated you share the same belief.
You said that you feel so strongly about this that you would stop comminicating with me if I failed to accept that you had a right to dictate what words were used to describe you.

Therefore you are claiming that you would not have a problem with your child
• being taught to lie to you
• being told-off or sanctioned for correctly sexing a child
• being instructed by adults to obey instructions without question when you know said staff would openly lie knowing your child understood they were being lied to.

In the camp your child meets Sam.

Your child know Sam is a male.

The staff instruct your child that Sam is a female with she/her pronouns. And that your child must only recognise Sam as a female person.

Your child knows Sam is a male.
Your child knows that the adults know Sam is a male.

Your child knows that if there is a conversation about Sam, she/her rather than he/him is to be uses.

Your child knows an adult will force a adjustment of your childs language if male or him or he is used when speaking about Sam.

Your child knows that when you and your child have a conversation that Sam must be described as female not male and that the words she not he and her not him must be used.

So unless you ask your child for a detailed description the information you are given by your child is that Sam who slept in the same room as your child and shares changing areas and toilets is female

Eg
Sam slept in my room last night.
She has nice PJs and she changed into her Tshirt and jeans after we shower but before we had breakfast. I liked her runners.

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:15

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

What an utterly vile thing to say to a parent who is dealing with a very difficult situation with his child.

I was considering reporting your post but I think it should stand to show everyone what a disgusting excuse for a human being you are.

GallantKumquat · 31/08/2025 20:18

One thing that's remarkable is the degree this issue has degraded the integrity of institutions. Captured organizations take it as carte blanche to aggressively lie and falsify in way that no other cause can motivate. Even if you had no sympathy for the GC point of view, surely the deterioration of governing institutions should cause concern. We we've seen it with NHS Fife, the NSL, Allison Bailey v Linnaeus Veterinary, the vicious regard action entrenched bureaucrats at the EHRC fought Falkner, the whole Tavistock debacle.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 20:20

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:21

So I read this and had some questions because it seemed to lack some details. So I put it in Chat GPT and they said:

You said:
Did this happen: Hospital told police patient was not raped because alleged attacker was transgender
ChatGPT said:
You're asking whether the claim is true that a hospital told police a patient was not raped because the alleged attacker was transgender. Here's what actually happened, based on credible reports:
What’s the story?
In March 2022, Baroness Emma Nicholson of Winterbourne spoke in the House of Lords (UK Parliament) about an incident which had occurred approximately one year earlier.
She stated that a female patient reported being raped. The police contacted the unnamed hospital, which reportedly responded that the crime “could not have happened” because “there was no male in the hospital” — implying that the alleged attacker was a transgender man and therefore not considered male under their reasoning. YahooGB News.
According to Nicholson, this denial persisted for nearly a year, until CCTV footage, along with witness and staff testimony, clearly showed that a male-bodied individual had indeed been present—and the assault had taken place. YahooGB Newsmedicalbrief.co.za.
Nicholson linked this incident to what she called "Annex B," part of an NHS policy that directs staff to assign patients to single-sex wards based on gender identity, rather than biological sex. She argued this policy caused staff to mislead or deny the presence of male-bodied individuals on female wards. YahooSkeptics Stack ExchangeGB News.
Is the claim verified?
The only source of this claim is the speech by Baroness Nicholson in Parliament. Media coverage (e.g., by GB News, MedicalBrief, Ground News, etc.) largely echoed what she said, but no public hospital name or official documents have been released to independently verify the claim. National ReviewYahooGB Newsmedicalbrief.co.zaGround News.
A thorough examination on Skeptics Stack Exchange noted that the incident rests solely on Nicholson’s statement, and that media reports simply repeated it. They pointed out that there has been no further documentation or confirmation from the hospital or NHS beyond what was said in Parliament. Skeptics Stack Exchange.
Summary
What was claimed: A woman’s rape claim was initially dismissed by hospital staff/administration to police because the alleged attacker was trans and “there was no male in the hospital.”
Evidence: First voiced in a 2022 House of Lords speech by Baroness Nicholson, supported by media reports quoting her directly.
Verification: There has been no public confirmation from the hospital, NHS, or police beyond Baroness Nicholson’s parliamentary remarks. No hospital is named, and no official documentation has emerged.
So yes—the incident was reported to have happened, but it is based solely on one politician’s account without independent corroboration or official confirmation.

So because it is something that only one person reported to have happened and there are no verified sources of information to confirm it, I am left with questions.

For instance, who were these police officers told that there was no male? The management of the hospital. Specific nurses on that ward? Who checked this and how was it checked? It leads me back to a list with patient names and an F next to the name and someone high up just saying there were only women in the ward that day. Not the actual nurses who treated the victim and the perpetrator lying to cover it up.

The thing that I don't understand about this the most is that you don't have to identify as male to be convicted of rape, you only need to have a penis. So by today's standards, anyone with a penis can be convicted of rape if they penetrate someone without consent irrespective of their "gender identity". It leaves the possibility that the victim was sexually assaulted rather than being raped, and was reported in another case. This could be what she is referring to but in that case, it doesn't seem as if the person was not convicted of rape due to their gender identity, but because of what did and what didn't occur. It was a sexual assault.

All that drivel and you cant work out that with humans only human males have a penis.

And try to imply it was a female sex offender
🚩🚩🚩

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:25

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:05

I think they are often oblivious to how entrenched in tradition their own views are.

Who are 'they'? Not the feminists posting on here presumably, or you'd use the pronoun 'you'.

No, we're not just pretending to be against gender stereotyping. We really are against gender stereotyping.

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:29

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

So you're accusing a Baroness of lying in the House of Lords. What is your evidence that she was lying?

MarieDeGournay · 31/08/2025 20:29

I actually agree with Ihavetoask that it would be useful to have more details about that particular NHS rape case.

However, unlike Ihavetoask, I doubt very much that Baroness Nicholson deliberately lied to parliament, and I believe that if the report that she made to Parliament turned out to be inaccurate in any way, that she would come back, admit that she had misled the HoL, and correct the record.

So on balance, although I'd like more details, I take Baroness Nicholson's word that it happened, because I don't believe she is a liar.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 20:29

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:53

I've been out so catching up. So someone has arrived on a feminist board to - checks notes - say that a woman claiming to have been raped in hospital by a TW is making it up even though there is cctv footage?

right

Edited

With the last bit no penis was involved so must be one of the no-penis sex who did it.
😬

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:30

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

Do you understand that there is a wider world beyond you and the people you know?