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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:51

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:49

I also have to question why some posters are expecting to receive deeply considered insights from AI. Over the past month we have had so many posters who don't do any of the long hours of reading and searching for original source information and resort to AI questions to shape their views and responses.

My only thought when I see this mentioned is, 'oh aye. Of course you did'. Because what is then posted rarely shows any depth of insight into the topic, whereas many of the posters on this board have been reading and reading original source material and listening to as many opinions on this as possible. In particular to transgender people themselves and groups who are supporting the prioritisation of gender over sex when sex matters. Very little has not already been discussed on threads here and in depth that I am sure would surprise some people using AI short cuts thinking that they will get the answer and posters here are just ignorant.

It is a commonality. I really think that people do a quick AI composite and think they have all the knowledge and that their view is the righteous one.

I also checked fact finder and a few other skeptic sites myself. Chat GPT just summarised those findings.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:51

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

Fuck.... That is interesting. Do you go onto sites supporting trans people and ask parents that question? Or just reserved for parents you believe you disagree with?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 18:52

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 13:13

You can't choose my pronouns. I'll stop talking to you if you do.

They are not your pronouns. They are the pronouns chosen (usually subconsciously) and spoken by the person using them. This is actually a serious issue, because the gender activists have gaslit society and the outcome is "trans women are women" who should therefore be admitted to all women's spaces. It also enables the dangerous and lying narrative that it is possible to change sex.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:53

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:51

I also checked fact finder and a few other skeptic sites myself. Chat GPT just summarised those findings.

Oh... and again, why would fact finder and skeptic sites be privy to the information that the Baroness has?

You have outsourced your thinking and you don't seem to have any depth of knowledge on this issue that you are here telling everyone all about.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:53

I've been out so catching up. So someone has arrived on a feminist board to - checks notes - say that a woman claiming to have been raped in hospital by a TW is making it up even though there is cctv footage?

right

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:53

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:51

Fuck.... That is interesting. Do you go onto sites supporting trans people and ask parents that question? Or just reserved for parents you believe you disagree with?

I have asked that of a parent with a Trans identifying child who supported the ideology, yes. That person is actually related to me quite closely.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:57

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:53

I've been out so catching up. So someone has arrived on a feminist board to - checks notes - say that a woman claiming to have been raped in hospital by a TW is making it up even though there is cctv footage?

right

Edited

Who said there is cctv? It very much sounds like the politician was talking about a REPORTED case in which someone was sexually assaulted in A+E. The identity of the attacker is unclear, but the charge was oriented around their actual actions. They didn't rape the individual regardless of whether they have a penis or not. What occurred was sexual assault. They have CCTV which proves it occurred.

Some of the things that this politician said is aligned with the facts of that case except her misunderstanding about why they weren't charged with rape.

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 18:57

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

This is an interesting one.

Gender critical feminists (whose whole thing is rejecting gender stereotypes) are the ones responsible for children questioning their gender identity because really they don't reject gender stereotypes at all. They're just pretending to reject gender stereotypes?

Er...

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:58

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:53

Oh... and again, why would fact finder and skeptic sites be privy to the information that the Baroness has?

You have outsourced your thinking and you don't seem to have any depth of knowledge on this issue that you are here telling everyone all about.

I think you should find out how they work.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:58

"I have asked that of a parent with a Trans identifying child who supported the ideology, yes. That person is actually related to me quite closely."

And what did they say to you?

Did they tell you that you are not as informed on this topic as you present yourself to be?

I personally know about 5 or 6 sets of parents with children who have transgender identities. I cannot think of one of those parents who would use the language like 'girls do x' or 'boys do y'. The people who were saying this in most cases were the children's peers, and in one instance it was a teacher.

But, please crack on with your special take.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:59

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:57

Who said there is cctv? It very much sounds like the politician was talking about a REPORTED case in which someone was sexually assaulted in A+E. The identity of the attacker is unclear, but the charge was oriented around their actual actions. They didn't rape the individual regardless of whether they have a penis or not. What occurred was sexual assault. They have CCTV which proves it occurred.

Some of the things that this politician said is aligned with the facts of that case except her misunderstanding about why they weren't charged with rape.

lol your "sounds like" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:59

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 18:57

This is an interesting one.

Gender critical feminists (whose whole thing is rejecting gender stereotypes) are the ones responsible for children questioning their gender identity because really they don't reject gender stereotypes at all. They're just pretending to reject gender stereotypes?

Er...

Many of them openly do not and will often make comments that betray their belief in strict gender roles and stereotypes.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 18:59

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:50

No I haven't seen any official report stating that somone was raped in a hospital ward. Ive seen a report just last week stating someone was raped in my local park and that there had been an arrest and bail in connection. Nobody identified either party. Was reporter though

You don’t think anyone has been raped in hospital?

This report found over 35000 sexual misconduct or violence including 56 gang rapes:

rapecrisis.org.uk/news/alarming-scale-of-sexual-violence-and-abuse-on-mental-health-wards/

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:00

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:59

lol your "sounds like" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

No many of the facts align with that case except her claim that it was about the perpetrator being transgender.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:01

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 18:59

You don’t think anyone has been raped in hospital?

This report found over 35000 sexual misconduct or violence including 56 gang rapes:

rapecrisis.org.uk/news/alarming-scale-of-sexual-violence-and-abuse-on-mental-health-wards/

That align with the case she stated

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 19:02

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:00

No many of the facts align with that case except her claim that it was about the perpetrator being transgender.

So as I said you're saying the woman was lying

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 19:02

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:01

That align with the case she stated

She has the right to anonymity. What don’t you get about that?

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 19:03

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:59

Many of them openly do not and will often make comments that betray their belief in strict gender roles and stereotypes.

Just to clarify, you believe that gender critical feminists are just pretending to be against stereotypes when really they believe the opposite?

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:04

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 18:58

"I have asked that of a parent with a Trans identifying child who supported the ideology, yes. That person is actually related to me quite closely."

And what did they say to you?

Did they tell you that you are not as informed on this topic as you present yourself to be?

I personally know about 5 or 6 sets of parents with children who have transgender identities. I cannot think of one of those parents who would use the language like 'girls do x' or 'boys do y'. The people who were saying this in most cases were the children's peers, and in one instance it was a teacher.

But, please crack on with your special take.

Yet they probably wanted a girl or a boy because they believe they will have certain personality traits. They likely use language that feminises "nice" behaviour in boys, and emasculates assertiveness or physicality in girls.

No they don't say that little Tommy is a girl because he likes sewing and painting, but they always talk about how he isnt like other boys who like destructive and disruptive behaviour.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:05

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 19:03

Just to clarify, you believe that gender critical feminists are just pretending to be against stereotypes when really they believe the opposite?

I think they are often oblivious to how entrenched in tradition their own views are.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/08/2025 19:05

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:57

Who said there is cctv? It very much sounds like the politician was talking about a REPORTED case in which someone was sexually assaulted in A+E. The identity of the attacker is unclear, but the charge was oriented around their actual actions. They didn't rape the individual regardless of whether they have a penis or not. What occurred was sexual assault. They have CCTV which proves it occurred.

Some of the things that this politician said is aligned with the facts of that case except her misunderstanding about why they weren't charged with rape.

Seriously? You're spending your time dismissing the allegations of a woman that she was raped on a hospital ward. The staff lied to the police and the woman by claiming that there were only women on the ward. It was the police who accessed CCTV who saw that there was a man claiming to be a woman who raped this woman patient.
If you don't understand why this woman didn't go public I can't help you. But women will understand why victims of rape and sexual assault need privacy. Evidently that's not in your frame of reference).

I know that the NHS will be desperate to keep this silent as it's yet another example of their complicity in enabling the abuse of women by men (see Sandie Peggie case for grim details of how this works).

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 19:07

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:04

Yet they probably wanted a girl or a boy because they believe they will have certain personality traits. They likely use language that feminises "nice" behaviour in boys, and emasculates assertiveness or physicality in girls.

No they don't say that little Tommy is a girl because he likes sewing and painting, but they always talk about how he isnt like other boys who like destructive and disruptive behaviour.

The kind of people who describe a woman who raises a safeguarding concern about her child as 'ranting' and thinks she should do the nice womanly thing and shut up? Those kind of people?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 31/08/2025 19:07

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 17:46

Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

Really?

MarieDeGournay · 31/08/2025 19:10

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

I think you are over-estimating the power of parents to control how their sons and daughters identify. Families do not exist in isolation, children do not learn to be adults only from their parents.

As soon as a child opens a book, watches something onscreen, seems a selection of toys, is brought to buy clothes etc. etc. they are exposed to the current gender stereotypes. Then they go to school, and unless the school is very careful, and doesn't promote gender ideology, they will get another dose of stereotypes. Then at a shockingly young age, they get a smartphone [as young as 8 isn't unusual] and social media gives them another dose.

The messages the parents have sent to their children about men and women or boys ad girls are just a fraction of the conditioning that children receive about gender stereotypes.

There is no such thing as a child who has been brought up away from any messages about gender except their parents', unless they were brought up on a desert island.

Parents who do their best to instil in their sons and daughters a strong independence about who they want to be, regardless of what society says they should be, often find that either social pressures, or teenage rebellion against everything their parents say, has more influence that parental messages.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/08/2025 19:05

Seriously? You're spending your time dismissing the allegations of a woman that she was raped on a hospital ward. The staff lied to the police and the woman by claiming that there were only women on the ward. It was the police who accessed CCTV who saw that there was a man claiming to be a woman who raped this woman patient.
If you don't understand why this woman didn't go public I can't help you. But women will understand why victims of rape and sexual assault need privacy. Evidently that's not in your frame of reference).

I know that the NHS will be desperate to keep this silent as it's yet another example of their complicity in enabling the abuse of women by men (see Sandie Peggie case for grim details of how this works).

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

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