Is it true KJK has been no-platformed by FiLia?

[IwantToRetire]

Seen this on a number of threads on facebook, and wondered if it was true?

I’m not sure she does. Not on YouTube and I have seen her complaining that X wasn’t allowing her to be monetised either, though not sure of current situation.

She raises money for her campaigns by selling merch.

I think you mean SFW not FWS, but anyway, AliasGrace47's question was whether Neo Nazis were turning up to SFW events, and they definitely were at one of her events in Australia, doing a Nazi salute and with a banner saying something about "paedo freaks".

AliasGrace didn't ask if KJK invited them, she asked if they were there, and they were.

Other people from the far right turn up at her events over here, repeatedly.

KJK makes it very clear, every time she's criticised for not keeping the far right out of her events, that "everybody" is welcome, so even if she's not specifically inviting them, she's giving them the green light to attend by refusing to tell them they're not welcome.

Even if she has now been demonitised across all platforms, it's still promotion of her "brand".

She makes money from donations via social media as well as merch. Even if you're demonised on YouTube for example, you can still collect donations when you do live streams.

Thank you, that's what I thought.

I have more thoughts on this which I will post later.

For now, I'll just say that KJK risked her life for this, she is unquestionably heroic. But someone's heroism should never mean they are placed above criticism.

Sorry if any one found my post trying to clarify confusing.

It covers different things.

First one that (as yet) the only women no platformed at this year's FiLia is Julia Beck.

I don't know who Claire is, but I suspect this has much more to do with those who are part of or aligned to Actual Gender Critical Left who have been obsessively attacking any of the women who attended the meeting (years ago now) where feminists were on the same stage as the Heritage Foundation. (There will be threads on here) It was a very divisive issue and for instance some have changed their position eg Jean Hatchette (spelling?) who flounced off FWR etc., for being tricked into working with a right wing group, but has now taken a different line. (Currently being attacked for not taking the left view about asylum seeker demos, but thinking about the women.)

In the past other women have been no platformed eg a certain lesbian known for sitting on chairs who set up a stall outside the London event.

And also Sheila Jeffreys on another occasion.

So partly the WDI event is a dig at FiLia "excluded" but not silenced.

My only hope about AGCL infiltration of FiLia (which has being going on for a few years) is that it will in the end have the same negative impact as when they tried to take over WPUK. The final post on WPUK's facebook page by a member of AGCL got such negative response which is why some started to say WPUK stopped because its followers weren't automicallly toeing the "left" line.

I think it illustrates FiLia's political naivety that they seem happy to be used in this way, or maybe that as it is primarily a consumer event they just go with whatever seems to be the feminist flavour of the month.

Luckily for them a lot of women, who have committed feminist views, aren't as obsessed with grand standing, and will turn up for the opportunity to meet up with others.

But imagine the impact, and show of solidarity, if all those who say they want to got to FiLia took a public stand against their small minded purity spiral of no platforming a well know, lesbian feminist, activist.

I dont personally know Julia Beck or even follow her on facebook, but apart from her origianl statement, (facebook link in previous post) she has now written a second statement.

It would nice to think she could just shrug it off, but is basically thinking she has to justify her whole life time of feminist activism, just because a small group of petty minded leftist wont give up on their vendetta and FiLia's any way the wind blows politics have given them more power than they deserve.

FiLIA is a grass roots, broad church movement. British feminism has its roots in the Left ( you only need to read feminist publications from the 60s and 70s to see that) so it’s logical that most feminist organisations will be more aligned to the left, however loosely.

KJK spoke at the WDI conference last year, on the same day as Shelia and Julia Long.

I think some people are far too quick to see conspiracies and hierarchies, where there are none, then resent them.

I’m getting pretty sick of the term “head girl” being bandied about to undercut any woman who speaks up and says stuff other women don’t agree with.

I say, kudos to any woman who publishes, or speaks publicly - good for her, even if I don’t agree with her. Being present and visible in public is important for the cause.

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

Neo-Nazis didn’t turn up at the LWS event, the event was on the Parliament steps and the neo-Nazis were holding a protest there - it being Parliament. They weren’t at the LWS event. The lack of any association between the neo Nazi protest and the LWS was firmly established by the court to the extent that it cost John Pesutto millions of pounds in libel damages.

There were also transactivists there - why are you not associating the neonazis with the transactivists?

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

Exactly - why would a group that is basically an events organiser presume to say which women are fit to speak and which aren't?

Why would they no platform a well known activist?

They make themselves look polically dumb.

I think what is more disturbing is those who accept their event organiser telling them who they can and cant hear.

But shows why groups like WDI need to exist.

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

Not true. Feminism is for women.

FiLIA is a grass roots, broad church movement. British feminism has its roots in the Left ( you only need to read feminist publications from the 60s and 70s to see that) so it’s logical that most feminist organisations will be more aligned to the left, however loosely.

What you call "British Feminism" was the Women's Liberation Movement.

And its roots if any were in the counter culture, alternative politics.

It was only once it became such a large grass roots movement that the left attempted to move in and "organise" women, Heaven forbid that the ordinary women in the street might be just a politically astute as the hand maidens of the left. eg what became the Women's Aid movement was largely started by working class and Black Women based on concepts of mutual aid.

The "left" has through academics etc., presumed to say what feminism is, but as so many threads on FWR show, most women are non aligned.

And of course the Guardian.

Yes, of course I meant women! Try not to make a dispute where there is none. (Although I’d want to make a teeny tiny exception for John Stuart Mill, who wrote Subjection of women with Harriet Taylor).

what became the Women's Aid movement was largely started by working class and Black Women based on concepts of mutual aid.

But in my experience of the 1970s at least, I think most of these women would be loosely aligned with the left, loosely. Every time I’ve met Pragna Patel, for example, she’s clearly aligned to the left in her use of feminist left- inflected ideas and approaches.

Pragna Patel was always part of the left, and the left, and judging by her speech at the WPUK conference has little idea of what the Women's Liberation Movement was about.

Which isn't to say women who base the work they do on left politics are wrong but it has nothing to do with what actual happened in the 70s where women didnot and had no interest in being left or right.

The whole purpose of the WLM was on a mass movement based on local grass roots women's groups who dispite differences of race, class, religion through consciousness raising found the issues that they had common cause with each other.

That is why it was so powerful.

Because whatever each group chose to do was based on the lived experience of those women, and because the group was based on a local area meant they could more effectively address local issues that impact on women, eg cutting funding to a women's service.

This didn't meant there wasn't also a place from groups where women throught the shared reality of being lesbian, or Black, didn't also have an important organising function.

But in each instance it was based on the reality of those women's lives.

Not trying to fit those experiences into some patriarchal notion of how politics should be done.

You say of course you mean women, and I have no reason to doubt you. But there are a lot of people out there, including transactivists, who either include men who identify as women or say feminism is about everybody. So I think it is important to be clear.

Have just seen on the whose going to FiLia thread that the organisers have had the arrogance to organise a workshop on TransWidows and guess who have not been invited to speak.

@TinselAngel

This is so typical of left cooption of important issues.

They have to own everything,

What a disgrace.

Sadly this has been going on for decades. All the politcal carpet baggers finding a niche spot for themselves based on the ground work of somebody else.

Other people from the far right turn up at her events over here, repeatedly.

Transactivists also repeatedly turn up at her events. Is she also aligned with them?

Transactivists turn up to protest her events. The far right turn up to support and take part. As you well know.

Transactivists turn up to protest her events. The far right turn up to support and take part. As you well know.

Please evidence this statement.

Support and take part in the transactivists protests? Certainly I remember the footage from Australia showed that the transactivists didn’t protest the neonazis at all. Given the noise and screams they directed at LWS you would think if they objected to the neonazis they might have directed some of their shouts at them, but they didn’t.

People have pointed out far right commentators at KJK's events.

Her reply is she doesn't care and she would align with the devil if she thought it would help. She's said it several times on her videos.

So, she knows they attend, doesn't care and won't tell them not to come. She could denounce them if she wanted to, but she is very clear that she doesn't want to do that.

If you want the evidence, simply try googling, as the TRAs are certainly taking notes.

Here's one example of the far right at her Glasgow Standing for Women event.

And yes, I'm linking to a TRA article, but it includes evidence (screenshots) of several members of far right organisations at the Glasgow event

https://transsafety.network/posts/glasgow-far-right-standing-for-women/

When she went to Brighton, Hearts of Oak live streamed the event and Sophie Corcoran took the mic.

So yes, far right attending and supporting, and KJK making it absolutely clear they are welcome to come again.

This is sounding a bit mad.

My work puts on conferences. (Nothing to do with feminism).

It would be bonkers if speakers started demanding to speak at our events because they thought they had some kind of right to be on the program.

Is no one allowed to have a conversation about their lived experience of being married to a transwoman without Tinsel speaking? Can't someone else have a turn?

As you well know

Do I? Thanks for letting me know what I know.

Do you have some evidence that the far right take part? I've watched some of the LWS events, but I don't recall any "far right" women speaking at them. If any of them were far right they must have not made this obvious when they spoke.

I remember a young woman at one event who took the mic as though she was going to speak, but then ran off and tried to steal the microphone. She turned out to be a TRA, so there has been at least one TRA who has taken part in an event (if you can call stealing the mic "taking part").

But she does welcome all women, and they are all encouraged to take part.

I've already answered this. My previous post links to an article that names several far right people who took part, and I also name an organisation and an individual in my post.

And yes, I assumed you understood there is a difference between people who protest an event and who turn up to support, that would seem pretty obvious to me.

I went to a LWS in London , Donald trump was there and he gave us all £10 each plus expenses. The TRAs were there as well , hundreds blowing whistles and banging drums which they'd had to buy themselves, poor things.

Only £10? I get millions from American right wing Christian Fundamentalists that I spend on buying Harry Potter books and merch.