Is it true KJK has been no-platformed by FiLia?

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Seen this on a number of threads on facebook, and wondered if it was true?

If TRAs objected to it, they would have said so to the nazis then and there. Instead they cowardly attacked women. TRAs are complicit in their agreement with the nazis by their silence and instead, focusing on the most vulnerable there - women. TRAs decided to pick on the easier target, rather than stand against the nazis.

We know what happened. The cowardly and violent TRAs decided to attack women asking for their basic human rights, rather than stand up against the nazis.

Because TRAs and nazis are both violent, unpleasant and cut from the same cloth. Both groups hate and target women and girls. TRAs with knives, weapons, placards saying we should be dead, and nazis with their Hitler salutes.

I didn’t say those things. Please only discuss the actual content of my posts, not what you imagine I’ve said.

This. Transactivists don’t attack nazis because they are both men’s rights movements.

You do know the content of your post is quoted so we can see that is exactly what you wrote?

Incredibly, I do, and I stand by what I wrote.

I'm not sure you know much about what actually goes on out there.

In the UK, the whole "punch a TERF" thing came from the "punch a nazi" trope which has been around for decades.

There are many activists who have been led to believe that TERFs are far right, akin to fascists and this is why they protest us, as well as protesting fascists.

This is one reason why KJK's multiple "oh whoops, it happened again" associations with the far right and refusal to say they're not welcome at her events is so damaging. It's really hard to argue we're nothing to do with the far right when KJK is stirring the pot on this issue. And no, the TRAs generally don't see the difference. They are in a bubble and aren't in touch with the nuances of GC allegiances or splits.

I think you need to venture outside your bubble too. If you think TRAs don't protest fascists you don't really understand who they are or what they're about.

Back again to far right turning up at the same events transactivists turn up at where the transactivists make no objection to far right men but only to women speaking.

I could be wrong, but I think, and it's just a hunch, thatjust like the silent trees falling in the woods, that even though KJK doesn't want to go to Filia, hasn't been invited, and won't be no platformed, she's still wrong.

I'm sorry but it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about :(

And no, the TRAs generally don't see the difference. They are in a bubble and aren't in touch with the nuances of GC allegiances or splits.

Why does this even matter? They hate KJK, but they also hate everyone else they see as 'terfs'.

Fortunately they're not the government or the police (although going by what's just happened to Graham Linehan, they seem to have some power over the police, and they also seem to have some political influence).

The people who need to be convinced that what we want is reasonable aren't the TRAs, because they're misogynistic, homophobic bigots who won't change their minds about anything regardless of anything we say or do. The people we need to convince to be on our side are those in power. That's not to say that it's going to be easy (this has been going on for years already), but why the obsession with what TRAs think? Why do you think we should care?

Why does this even matter? They hate KJK, but they also hate everyone else they see as 'terfs'.

I take it you've not been on the receiving end of a crowd of angry TRAs shouting in your face because they think you're a fascist, then? I have, more than once. It's fucking terrifying.

Nor lost friendships with lifelong friends because they think you've lost the plot and been brainwashed by the far right, for saying people can't change sex. I have. It hurts.

Nor paid attention to the Sandy Pegg trial where they are trying to paint a picture of her as a racist, leaning into the trope that women who object to men in their spaces are doing so because of prejudice akin to racism, not because we expect dignity, safety and respect.

The people in power are influenced by TRAs. That's why we've needed to take so many cases to court to get anyone to see sense, and often it's had to go to appeal before there's a judge that can understand the arguments / hasn't been indoctrinated to oversee proceedings.

This stuff matters.

Do you think any of this would change if you declared that you hated KJK?

When people are bigoted and fuelled by emotion, reasoning with them isn't going to work. It doesn't matter how much you try to appease them or meet them half way, they'll still hate you because you say that people can't change sex.

I’m autistic so reading a thread like this helps me to sort through the nuances of everything and it raises lots of interesting ideas.

Re Sandy Peggie - whether or not she’s a racist is immaterial in a way because even the most unpleasant women are still entitled to access single sex spaces.

But for a wider discussion, whether GC women are unpleasant racists does matter I think? For a long time we’ve been told that we were on the “wrong side of history” and that we were the bad guys. A sizeable chunk of the general public had been suckered into the narrative of poor, vulnerable trans people and vile women bullying them.

It would be great to not give a fuck what public opinion is. But public opinion influences policy, and is partly how we get the pendulum to swing back the other way.

Lia Thomas certainly helped to peak lots of people, despite it being in the US. The sight of visibly smaller women against a hulking great male drove home the unfairness, far more than just words.

So in a similar way, we have to be seen to be the “good guys” to get public opinion behind us.

I don’t think right or left wing matters if you’re talking about Labour/Conservative-type views. Plenty of us disagree here and that’s ok, as a very wise PP said.

But I do think if there’s quite extreme views, it reflects badly on us. So KJK fangirling a man who sexually assaults women, is rampantly misogynistic, is racist, xenophobic, and has very few redeeming qualities as a human reflects on us, unfortunately. And when I say fangirling, I don’t just mean advocating for a Republican vote, she’s been fawning all over him.

A PP mentioned she’s a supporter of Tommy Robinson, and similar. If that’s true, that’s also really problematic.

Likewise the far right/neo-nazis turning up in support of her rallies. They are dangerous, violent men so maybe KJK just doesn’t want to comment about them as she’s put herself in enough danger as it is. That would be understandable. Ideally though yes, she’d be clear that LWS isn’t aligned with extremists, even though they might turn up in support. I understand why she might prefer just not to engage though.

KJK can and will do what she wants. And many women will support her whatever she does because of her track record in elevating women’s voices and fighting against gender ideology. And she has done a fantastic job.

But I think there are women across the political spectrum that feel uncomfortable with KJK’s increasing lurch to the right and her willingness to platform Trump because it isn’t just about her views, it impacts on how the GC movement is seen. And if we want to sway public opinion, being grouped with really unpleasant Trump/Tommy Robinson-style politics is unhelpful.