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Is it true KJK has been no-platformed by FiLia?

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IwantToRetire · 27/08/2025 18:27

Seen this on a number of threads on facebook, and wondered if it was true?

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SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 23:47

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 23:25

I've already answered this. My previous post links to an article that names several far right people who took part, and I also name an organisation and an individual in my post.

And yes, I assumed you understood there is a difference between people who protest an event and who turn up to support, that would seem pretty obvious to me.

But the transactivists didn’t protest the neonazis in Australia did they?

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 23:49

I think it might be useful to remind ourselves of some of the people transactivists align themselves with:

Stephen Ireland, Founder of Pride:
https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2025/two-men-jailed-after-being-found-guilty-of-multiple-child-sex-offences/

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 23:51

James Rennie, CEO of LBGT Youth Scotland:
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/leaders-of-biggest-scottish-paedophile-ring-jailed-idUSTRE59S2P6/

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 23:59

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 23:49

I think it might be useful to remind ourselves of some of the people transactivists align themselves with:

Stephen Ireland, Founder of Pride:
https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2025/two-men-jailed-after-being-found-guilty-of-multiple-child-sex-offences/

Eh? What has that got to do with the far right turning up to KJK's events?

Pure deflection!

Libertybellz · 01/09/2025 00:00

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 23:13

As you well know

Do I? Thanks for letting me know what I know.

Do you have some evidence that the far right take part? I've watched some of the LWS events, but I don't recall any "far right" women speaking at them. If any of them were far right they must have not made this obvious when they spoke.

I remember a young woman at one event who took the mic as though she was going to speak, but then ran off and tried to steal the microphone. She turned out to be a TRA, so there has been at least one TRA who has taken part in an event (if you can call stealing the mic "taking part").

But she does welcome all women, and they are all encouraged to take part.

lol no kjk doesn’t welcome all women. Far from it. She welcomes all women that aren’t as well known as she is. Would she welcome Jean hatchet? Kathleen stock? Julie Bindel? Stella o Malley? Jane Claire jones? Sal Grover? Rhona hotchkiss? Sarah Ditum? Rosie Duffield? Sonia sodha? Helen Lewis? Hadley Freeman? Janice turner?

Olderbadger1 · 01/09/2025 00:21

Before sniping at FiLiA for perceived faults, please check out who they actually are (www.filia.org.uk/our-team) and what they do, especially their VAWG campaigns - all run by volunteers e.g.
> Hague Mothers: International, volunteer-run campaign to change an international treaty that forces victim-survivors of DV - mothers & children - back to their abuser. https://www.hague-mothers.org.uk/
> Women First: co-produced with women who have had lived experience of the sex trade, offers guidance to local authorities who want to improve opportunities for women to exit the sex trade. Unequivocal in framing prostitution as male violence. https://www.filia.org.uk/women-first
> Kakuma Campaign supporting lesbian mothers trapped in a refugee camp & subject to constant violence and abuse. Campaign aims to bring them to safety. https://www.filia.org.uk/kakuma-campaign

!00 speakers have been announced to date for this year's Conference, from every continent - https://www.filia.org.uk/filia-2025-speakers The logistics are mind-blowing and I, for one, am hugely grateful to every one of the women who gives up acres of their time to make this possible.

Home - Hague Mothers

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SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 00:30

Libertybellz · 01/09/2025 00:00

lol no kjk doesn’t welcome all women. Far from it. She welcomes all women that aren’t as well known as she is. Would she welcome Jean hatchet? Kathleen stock? Julie Bindel? Stella o Malley? Jane Claire jones? Sal Grover? Rhona hotchkiss? Sarah Ditum? Rosie Duffield? Sonia sodha? Helen Lewis? Hadley Freeman? Janice turner?

Have any of them turned up at LWS and been turned down for the microphone?

SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 00:40

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 23:59

Eh? What has that got to do with the far right turning up to KJK's events?

Pure deflection!

My point is you are very keen to link KJK with the far right yet are yourself doing so to deflect the horrors in your corner; the abusive, violent transactivist who turn up to every LWS event to drown out women, to threaten them, to hold placards wishing their death, to physically attack them. Transactivists who may already have convictions for murder and other crimes. Men and women who hide their faces so they can not be held to account. The extremist violence associated with transideology becomes ever more apparent; yet another transactivist school shooting in America just this week. Yet in the face of all this violence, you decry a woman who lets other women speak.

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:42

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 23:47

But the transactivists didn’t protest the neonazis in Australia did they?

What does this mean exactly?

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:50

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 22:14

Support and take part in the transactivists protests? Certainly I remember the footage from Australia showed that the transactivists didn’t protest the neonazis at all. Given the noise and screams they directed at LWS you would think if they objected to the neonazis they might have directed some of their shouts at them, but they didn’t.

Ah. I see. Are you implying the TRAs there were closet Nazis? That has already been explored and debunked.

I do think if there is an opposing group of neonazis - holding offensive banners targeting trans people - and protesters have already been cautioned to keep calm by a heavy police presence, the TRAs aren’t going to be screaming at the neonazis. They’re an excitable bunch.

ThatBlackCat · 01/09/2025 04:53

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:50

Ah. I see. Are you implying the TRAs there were closet Nazis? That has already been explored and debunked.

I do think if there is an opposing group of neonazis - holding offensive banners targeting trans people - and protesters have already been cautioned to keep calm by a heavy police presence, the TRAs aren’t going to be screaming at the neonazis. They’re an excitable bunch.

Oh, so it's ok for them to scream at the feminists, but not nazis, because they're men and 'excitable'....

Newsflash, they didn't even try to chant at the nazis. They didn't even bother. I'm in Australia. The rally and subsequent various angles of footage shows the TRAs saw and knew the nazis were there but they paid them no attention. They just screamed and drowned out the women.

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 05:51

Libertybellz · 01/09/2025 00:00

lol no kjk doesn’t welcome all women. Far from it. She welcomes all women that aren’t as well known as she is. Would she welcome Jean hatchet? Kathleen stock? Julie Bindel? Stella o Malley? Jane Claire jones? Sal Grover? Rhona hotchkiss? Sarah Ditum? Rosie Duffield? Sonia sodha? Helen Lewis? Hadley Freeman? Janice turner?

I don't know. Why don't you ask her?

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 06:05

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:50

Ah. I see. Are you implying the TRAs there were closet Nazis? That has already been explored and debunked.

I do think if there is an opposing group of neonazis - holding offensive banners targeting trans people - and protesters have already been cautioned to keep calm by a heavy police presence, the TRAs aren’t going to be screaming at the neonazis. They’re an excitable bunch.

TRAs aren’t going to be screaming at the neonazis

Of course they're not. They're not going to attack a group of men who have a reputation for violence.

It's much easier to protest against a group of women holding a nonviolent rally, talking in a calm way about issues that concern them.

Showing that in reality, TRAs are quite aware of which people are men and which are women. If they were really concerned about threats to their "community", they'd aim their protests at the violent men rather than the peaceful women.

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 06:15

Libertybellz · 01/09/2025 00:00

lol no kjk doesn’t welcome all women. Far from it. She welcomes all women that aren’t as well known as she is. Would she welcome Jean hatchet? Kathleen stock? Julie Bindel? Stella o Malley? Jane Claire jones? Sal Grover? Rhona hotchkiss? Sarah Ditum? Rosie Duffield? Sonia sodha? Helen Lewis? Hadley Freeman? Janice turner?

You don't seem to understand what the LWS events are about. They're not for women who already have a voice in the media to make it all about them. They're for women who don't have a voice. Ordinary women are given the opportunity to stand up and speak about issues which concern them.

I don't know what would happen if a well-known woman turned up at one of these events and wanted to speak. Has it ever happened? Is your comment about something that happened at a past event?

SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 07:56

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:50

Ah. I see. Are you implying the TRAs there were closet Nazis? That has already been explored and debunked.

I do think if there is an opposing group of neonazis - holding offensive banners targeting trans people - and protesters have already been cautioned to keep calm by a heavy police presence, the TRAs aren’t going to be screaming at the neonazis. They’re an excitable bunch.

So you are saying TRAs only demonstrate against women because they know they can intimidate them with their violence and know women are less powerful than them and can’t do anything about it? So it is just a show of male violence against women. A display of male power?

SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 07:58

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 04:42

What does this mean exactly?

That TRAs don’t object to the far right.

Datun · 01/09/2025 09:34

IwantToRetire · 31/08/2025 20:51

Have just seen on the whose going to FiLia thread that the organisers have had the arrogance to organise a workshop on TransWidows and guess who have not been invited to speak.

@TinselAngel

This is so typical of left cooption of important issues.

They have to own everything,

What a disgrace.

Sadly this has been going on for decades. All the politcal carpet baggers finding a niche spot for themselves based on the ground work of somebody else.

Edited

They're finally talking about trans widows and haven't invited Tinsel? She IS the voice of trans widows!

It's the name of her organisation, ffs.

Did they say why?

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 09:54

ThatBlackCat · 01/09/2025 04:53

Oh, so it's ok for them to scream at the feminists, but not nazis, because they're men and 'excitable'....

Newsflash, they didn't even try to chant at the nazis. They didn't even bother. I'm in Australia. The rally and subsequent various angles of footage shows the TRAs saw and knew the nazis were there but they paid them no attention. They just screamed and drowned out the women.

I’m not saying anything is OK. I did say the neonazis are excitable, not the TRAs. (Also: I’m in Australia too - actually in Melbourne, if that matters.)

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 10:01

SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 07:56

So you are saying TRAs only demonstrate against women because they know they can intimidate them with their violence and know women are less powerful than them and can’t do anything about it? So it is just a show of male violence against women. A display of male power?

No. In this particular circumstance, the TRAs were aware of what KJK represented and were protesting against that. This neonazi group is particularly unpleasant and known for their shock tactics. Why provoke them further?

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 10:05

SouthWamses · 01/09/2025 07:58

That TRAs don’t object to the far right.

What about when that far right is holding a banner saying “Destroy Paedo Freaks” as the neonazis were at the rally? I’m sure the TRAs would object to that. They seem natural opposites.

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 10:09

Datun · 01/09/2025 09:34

They're finally talking about trans widows and haven't invited Tinsel? She IS the voice of trans widows!

It's the name of her organisation, ffs.

Did they say why?

Tinsel has commented on the other Filia thread about not being invited.

Who‘s coming to FiLIA? | Mumsnet

Page 3 | Who‘s coming to FiLIA? | Mumsnet

I‘m starting to get excited. Are there plans for a MN meetup?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5397065-whos-coming-to-filia?reply=146824147

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 10:12

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 10:01

No. In this particular circumstance, the TRAs were aware of what KJK represented and were protesting against that. This neonazi group is particularly unpleasant and known for their shock tactics. Why provoke them further?

Yes, it's much easier to target a group of women holding a peaceful event rather than a group of violent men.

It doesn't reflect well on you though.

OldCrone · 01/09/2025 10:14

VoulezVouz · 01/09/2025 10:05

What about when that far right is holding a banner saying “Destroy Paedo Freaks” as the neonazis were at the rally? I’m sure the TRAs would object to that. They seem natural opposites.

So why didn't the TRAs protest against them?

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/09/2025 10:14

KJK’s welcomed Maya, Baroness Nicholson & (I think) Helen Joyce in the past.

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