Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Here are a whole heap

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?latest=0

…It's not trans people making the rules on who does & doesn't qualify as as women or men…

You’re right, it’s that pesky ‘Y’ chromosome

Its wrong because the State is in control of the women in the prison.

The State owes the highest duty of care to the persons who by circumstance can not enforce their rights or freely access the courts to seek redress.

Being subjected to sexual abuse is unlawful as is aiding and abetting that type of criminal act

The State has the similar control over prisioners as a parent with a 2 year old child (control over location, food, healthcare meeting people etc.).

What would the State do if parent said that they would allow their child to be placed in a situation where the child is forced to provide companionship to a male rapist?

What would the State do if parent said that they would allow their child to be placed in a situation where the child is more likely to be sexually assaulted?

We can decide the answer to that quickly and correctly with minimun thought.

Yet when it comes to a sub-class of men in prison the judges benchmark is set at "its ok to harm women"

The judge said N+1 is acceptable.

That JR that was posted about the prisons was deeply troubling. And it should never have been left up to a female prisoner to bring that court action. And who the fuck would appeal the decision to go through all of that.

I've ceased being surprised about wanky men who come on here with ridiculous arguments about women's personalities, and so what if women get raped. And then fondly imagining that the ladies loos must be just like the men's, because they have absolutely no experience of female biology connected to periods, breastfeeding, miscarriages and pregnancy.

What's mildly surprising is that he kept it up for 10 pages.

But then I remembered that some men like nothing more than mummy's attention, even when, or more likely especially when, they're talking absolute drivel.

And obviously, it's been highly entertaining watching the women rinse this poster and his arguments, over, and over.

Did we ever get an answer as to how many women are worth sacrificing? Or indeed what specific personality trait defines them?

Judging by this thread, it's logic, factual arguments, rationality, articulation, and knowledge.

With the OP displaying irrationality, lack of logic, no knowledge but snark and entitlement in abundance.

Which, according to his own arguments, makes every transwoman a man 😁

@Howseitgoin No, trans women really DON’T need to use women toilets for safety. They are biological males. If they do not fancy using men’s toilets for whatever reason, there are plenty of unisex toilets available as you mentioned earlier.
You also said that single sex spaces are a Victorian concept and mixed sex spaces are a way forward. So why are you insisting now that transwomen need access to these outdated spaces?
You say that transwomen’s personalities are the same as women’s. Why do they need other women’s presence to feel female?
I am a woman and feel a woman regardless whether I am in a company of women or men. I feel a woman in a single sex toilet and in a unisex one as well. If I was forced by someone to use men’s toilet, I would still feel a woman.
If transwomen are like me, why can’t they just feel feminine in unisex toilets?

"And where is your evidence that all males that say they are female score in a statistically female” way in all these categories?
Where is your data?
Or is it just what you believe? That all trans identified males are gentle, kind, empathetic souls?
That’s not been my experience. Mainly on the autism spectrum and exhibiting at least some degree of black and white thinking, and aggressive behaviour if you don’t comply with their belief. And some frankly fetishistic exhibitionism in some. I have not met one that I thought had a “female soul”.

From the google AI overview:
"Research indicates that transgender women's Big Five personality traits are not significantly different from those of cisgender women; a study found that compared to cisgender women, transgender women had lower scores on Negative Affectivity and Psychoticism (related to neuroticism and introversion) but similar scores on other traits. This suggests that trans women do not exhibit a profile that is inherently more aligned with men's personality characteristics, but rather, their personality profiles are similar to those of women, aligning with the gender similarities hypothesis."

You can google the studies yourself.

oh noes OP!

Don’t rely on AI to do your work. You need to go to the original source data and read it and analysis it yourself.

So…. Have you gone back and reread the post I was referring to which pointed out your raging hypocrisy ? Have you understood where you have fucked up the defence of your position yet?

This.

What makes a man into a women -big five personality traits and head tilting ability.

And a really spinny skirt.

From the google AI overview:

Lol.

bloody AI just made me buy half a dozen lightbulbs with the wrong fitting. And when I pointed it out, said oh yes you're quite right.

😁

You miss the point about gender stereotypes, it seems.

Yes, lots of women behave in accordance with gender stereotypes. And many more are expected so to do. (That's what "stereotype" means.) But some (many) of these stereotypes are deleterious to women. I might want my granddaughter to be a doctor, not a nurse, for instance, for her benefit and that of wider society.

Or I might be pleased if a child, asked to draw a scientist, drew a woman in a dress (yes, another stereotype, I know ...) rather than a man in a white coat.

OK, you get the point? - Some gendered behaviours, expectations, etc., may be bad for women. Attempts to reinforce such stereotypical behaviours and expectations, then, as connected with womanhood, is a particular aspect of a form of sexism: such attempts are anti-women.

However, it's precisely this you advocate in your posts about trans-identified men being considered womanly because of their attempts to copy behaviours associated with women.

Can you see how such behaviour - as well as your advocacy - is, indeed, basically and fundamentally sexist in its treatment of gender stereotypes? - Think about it, anyway.

Some men with stiff necks and 'agreeableness ' are terrified that they will be mistaken for TW and looked at funny in the mens loos.

Imagine needing google to tell you who is and isn’t a female person though!

Can you just complete this personality test so i can determine if you are a he, she, or they?

Some new images for you in case you felt the urge to mix it up a bit during long threads
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@Howseitgoin I have been researching toilet safety for years. I agree Google is useful. Toilet crime is so common it doesn’t usually reach nationals. Google your local newspaper and search ‘toilet’ on its website.
It will be assaults on women, voyeurism by men, and deaths of men and women (often drug addicts and heart attacks). Every time.

Is that a cow identifying as unicorn, boiled? That's quite cute.

Some stats

One of the men who have a Irish GRC.
One of three who were sent to the womens prison system.
Unlike in the UK men are not allowed to be placed in the Womens Prison system
Zero women who have been issued with a GRC have been placed in the Mens Prison system (yet).

Hes 1 of 3 in sent to prison
Thats from a maximim population of 1000 (male and females) who have been given a GRC

He is so dangerous that the risk assessment for the childrens unit banned women from managing him or around him and the staffing was a minimum of 5 male officers.

He went to court to prove that wanting to stab and rape ones mother did not mean one was insane.

He is one of 56 (or more due to over crowding) inmates in Limerick Womens prison

" I wanted to use an electric rod, but that wasn’t available to me. I remember thinking I wanted to use the handle of a sweeping brush or a mop. I wanted to torture her [Ms McGhee] sexually, I wanted to sexually electrocute her genitalia,” replied Kardashian.

"So she would not be able to have children"

You mean this one AnSolas

https://genspect.org/barbie-kardashian-and-the-gaslighting-of-the-irish-public/

Just another woman by the definition used by the OP. Here is another one fitting your definition @Howseitgoin

The OP cant even try to answer any of your questions or to reply in any meaning full way. You deal in facts with logical well reasoned data backed observation points which can therefore be independently checked and validated.

You interact and consider other replies and you can discuss what you agree with as well as what you disagree with.

The OP cant even quote a post to form a substantive reply. The OP has to rely on a copy and paste of words or paragraphs to make the trite personal attacks work.

There's a podcast linked on the craicnet gender critical thread that goes into detail about this case.

Barbie Kardashian was acquitted.

Throughout the trial, the entire court room referred to this dangerous young man as she/her.

Exactly.

Incarcerated women actually ARE among the most vulnerable people in society, and unlike the rest of us, do not even have the option to self exclude from a female only space if a man is present, because they are literally locked up in that space with him.

Those judges completely disregarded those women's actual, real, fundamental human rights, including Article 3 (prohibition of inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment), Article 5 (right to security), Articles 9 and 10 (right to freedom of thought and conscience and freedom of expression, in this case the right not to agree that the male sex offender they are being forced to shower next to is a woman) and Article 14 (prohibition of discrimination) in the European Convention of Human Rights, in deference to the completely imaginary, non-existent "human right" of male sex offenders to serve their prison sentences in a female prison on the grounds that being with locked up with other male criminals is inconsistent with their "female gender identity" (but using their penis to rape a woman is not).

Fuck knows how the judges arrived at that conclusion but they are clearly unfit to sit in the High Court.

Thank goodness things have moved on significantly since 2021.

@Howseitgoin
Since you seem to value AI in your research, I have asked this question;
”Do you use personality to go to toilet?”
Here’s the answer I got from AI:
“No, humans do not use their personalities to physically go to the toilet, as it is an involuntary biological process.”
Therefore, it is irrelevant what personalities transwomen have. They should use the toilets correct for their sex.