Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Thank you, that’s nice of you to say. I never thought I would end up knowing so many facts about toilets!

Yep and is due out this year.

He wont be "going to work in Hollywood" with his record so the Irish Government must be feeling like a cat in a rocking chair store as sadly given his history its going to be when not if he attacks someone.
But the UK police will likely get a BOTLO for him too.

Under Irish law he is a legal female except when a "female penis" commits a sex offence.
If the law is valid he has no lawful right to access male health care eg for prostate cancer because the law as passed said is a legal female and legal woman and women dont get prostate cancer.

(Its a stupid law)

Leaving aside the reliability of google AI, as nobody is carrying out personality tests to verify gender identity, that is all completely irrelevant.

TRA or MRA target judges and/or are judges.

By right the State should have been instructed to manage this sub-group of males within the male complex

https://archive.ph/Jueg3

Here is an example of a male person with a transgender identity, Peter Selby, who did not get a prison sentence in Australia due his transgender identity, how has been charged yet again.

This is a bit inconvenient for Allsop's credibility I think OP.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14775971/Transgender-paedophile-jail-court-abuse-images.html

@Howseitgoin Would you like to explain which personality / behaviours this paedophile has that make Selby a 'woman'?

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You are doing the work and looking at how you can save even one life.

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Actually, this is a grim but useful resource.

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/com/LASC-C96E/PPROLAB202-EF1C/Taken%20on%20Notice%20and%20Response,%20Womens%20Forum%20Australia.pdf

This is a little out of date, but thank you to the team who pulled this together in Queensland.

LOVE these, thank you!

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/nurse-turned-escort-threatened-to-expose-clients-after-payment-disputes-court/news-story/9077f6de88797d05419b95b95354a52e

Another one for you @Howseitgoin . Another Australian criminal who did not get a custodial sentence due to being a male with a transgender identity.

I am just going through The Australian cases at the moment, I will post up the UK ones too.

This one is not one that I am going to go hunting for but it is another one. Vetea Joseph Bunton

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flatread.php?thread=9669198

"But then Justice Brian Devereaux gave Bunton leniency during the initial court proceedings in part because of vouching made by forensic psychologist, Dr. Gavan Palk. She does not present as a person who is a risk to children. Her sexual offences appear situational and in the context of low self-esteem and lack of confidence due to teenage sexual adjustment issues, Devereaux said. There was no evidence of entrenched pedophilic tendencies."

https://www.womenarehuman.com/archive/page/66/

So @Howseitgoin

In Australia between 2016- 2022 3/15 male people with transgender identities received some consideration for sentencing due to be transgender.

Gosh.... 20%. I wonder if I find the UK figures to be as high. Amazing to think that Allsop attempted to leverage indigenous people's experiences with systemic racism to say that male people with transgender identities are likely to be jailed because they are transgender....

Off to look at the UK figures.

Love that there's a detailed informative discussion between women happening on this thread while the OP hops around like a little boy shouting "you're all meanie mummies and I'm going to tell on you" 😂

https://archive.is/UDJa7

"Rachel Smith, 56, was handed a suspended jail term and a sexual harm prevention order in 2018 for making indecent photographs of children."

and

"Judge Robert Spragg said there was 'nothing overtly sexual in the chats that took place' and that the public will be better protected by Smith having added intervention from the authorities rather than a prison sentence."

Gosh Judge Spragg... nothing to see here is there... But here you are @Howseitgoin a UK one.

Leaving aside the reliability of google AI, as nobody is carrying out personality tests to verify gender identity, that is all completely irrelevant.

There's this concept called 'links to research' but why bother when you can consult the exceptional brain power of mumsnet cultist cookers eh?

https://genspect.org/the-otto-case-how-a-mans-crimes-were-blamed-on-a-woman/

One in Ireland OP

"Five years ago in Dublin, a man was up in court for pouring boiling water over another man’s face in an unprovoked assault. He got a suspended sentence. Our media lied to us at the time that the assailant was a woman. This week, that same man was sent to prison for having committed a sexual assault. That’s not so easy for the media to lie about. The man is 63-year-old Rolando Otto, aka Samantha Otto. He is a trans-identified, Filipino man who has been living in Ireland since 2011."

A suspended sentence because why? Look no further than the media report from that time....

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/suspended-sentence-for-woman-who-poured-boiling-water-over-man-s-face-1.4386061

He (Mr Le Vert) submitted that "her gender issues" were something the court could take into account and that "someone of her position would find prison would be more difficult and isolating".

Judge Codd said that in view of Otto’s previous good character and the difficulties she has faced in her life, she did not think it was appropriate to impose a custodial sentence.

She sentenced Otto to three years imprisonment which she suspended in full on strict conditions.

Oh gosh... How is Allsop's reasoning looking now?

Oh... look another one from the UK....

archive.ph/d4fIi#selection-1919.0-1923.179

‘Having reflected again upon the impact an immediate custodial sentence would have, the difficulties there are and the intractable problems the prison service would face, I have reconsidered whether imprisonment must be immediate,’ the judge told the court.
Instead, Le Fey was handed a six-month suspended sentence. This would seem to be a message to any men who fancy getting away with a prison sentence if unlucky enough to be caught.

Then guess what happened in 2024 ....

https://archive.ph/2saqG

and

archive.ph/22aF1

https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2024/04/09/transwoman-spared-jail-over-ultraviolent-tweets-to-gender-critical-campaigners/

Spared jail again....

But apparently according to Allsop, males with transgender identities are targeted and are systemically discriminated against.

https://archive.ph/NGEB

Here is three at one time being spared while the victim has been blamed.

Transgender trio spared jail after attacking teenager who provoked them. Tamsin Lush, Tylah-Jo Bryan and Amarnih Lewis-Daniel

Oh look....

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/woman-found-not-guilty-sexual-3340497

Jayde Clowting

Clowting was accused of "caressing the bum" of a drag queen who was at the nightclub with his boyfriend and friends and later getting involved in a fight with them along with her friend Lana Stancer.

and

Judge Horton told the defendant he had found her actions on the night in question to be "serious" and said the level of violence towards the complainant could have led to someone being seriously hurt.

He also acknowledged the difficulties Clowting had faced as a trans woman and believed her anger was partly a symptom of being the victim of transphobia for many years.

He said: "You should be and can become a credit to society for what you've been through, you're someone capable of helping others go through what you have gone through.

"The community order I have sentenced you may help you deal with anger and aggression and it might help you with aspects of your life and thinking."

Why would people follow your links if you can't explain why they are relevant?

There is is no desire in the trans community for gender identity to be objectively quantified and tested, so you are heading down a dead end.

The choices are single sex or mixed sex spaces, and if you genuinely believe mixed sex spaces are the best option, you need to engage with questions asked by keeptoiletssafe, because these are the kind of questions that would have to be addressed by anyone with a serious interest in policy.

"You miss the point about gender stereotypes, it seems.
Yes, lots of women behave in accordance with gender stereotypes. And many more are expected so to do. (That's what "stereotype" means.) But some (many) of these stereotypes are deleterious to women. I might want my granddaughter to be a doctor, not a nurse, for instance, for her benefit and that of wider society.
Or I might be pleased if a child, asked to draw a scientist, drew a woman in a dress (yes, another stereotype, I know ...) rather than a man in a white coat.
OK, you get the point? - Some gendered behaviours, expectations, etc., may be bad for women. Attempts to reinforce such stereotypical behaviours and expectations, then, as connected with womanhood, is a particular aspect of a form of sexism: such attempts are anti-women.
However, it's precisely this you advocate in your posts about trans-identified men being considered womanly because of their attempts to copy behaviours associated with women."

You are confused. I'm not prescribing behaviours. I'm describing them. And what's more as much as you disavow stereotypes you're most likely living one & also categorising sex based on them…unknowingly. Our reptilian brains work at an unconscious level so quickly based on archetypical associations when it comes to sex you don't even know you are doing it.

Whilst I take your point that some gendered behaviours are socialised rather than organic, the overwhelming incidence of sexed coded behaviours point to organic & this only makes sense as personality traits are influenced by genes & hormones in utero.

"Can you see how such behaviour - as well as your advocacy - is, indeed, basically and fundamentally sexist in its treatment of gender stereotypes? - Think about it, anyway."

Can you see how your denial of biological reality as uncomfortable as it is & advocacy is, indeed, basically & fundamentally ignorant in its treatment of facts?Think about, it anyway.

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Er.

No.

We get biology just fine thanks.

So, between 2017 - 2022 I counted 6/17 male people with transgender identities receiving leniency in the UK due to their transgender status.

And that is just the ones that were reported in the media.

But... apparently, Allsop has a banger of an evidenced point where he falsely compares the treatment of indigenous people in the justice system and systemic discrimination to the treatment of male people with convictions in the UK.

Yeah? nah.... I do reckon that Allsop is speaking utter bollocks. And only a fool would be posting his medium page as some kind of clever rebuttal to the UK MoJ figures. Figures by the way that were accepted as evidence by the High Court without comment about their accuracy.