Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

I too was once trapped in the belief that persistence was a virtue. I wasted years of my life and blew my health trying to flog a dead horse.

Noticing when you are wrong, when something isn’t working, and making changes are far better qualities than dogged, persistent, endurance.

Flexibility is key.
typo

It really does.

By the way, I really don't think that any female people have to 'get over' a male person entering into a toilet to rape girls.

I mean, do tell us:

How many additional women and girls being attacked or harmed in anyway in female single sex spaces are acceptable to you before we can expect to exclude ALL male people above the age of 8 years old?

It is enough to light up not just Melbourne's cinemas but also the Coburg and Dromana drive-in as well!

I’ve had similar conversations!

Come to think of it, the growing Materhorn will need its own beacon, so that projection will come in useful.

The plain fact of the matter is that risk of murder is less for trans identified males than other men of the same race. In every society you care to look at. Even “black trans women” in America.

Apart from all the flaws in his analysis which have been pointed out to you?

Such as the fact that you can't take rates of incarceration for black people in America and extrapolate your findings to trans people in the UK, who are in fact treated more leniently by the court system?

And the fact that he says the prison stats are unreliable because they don't take into account prisoners with GRCs, but fails to realise that this in fact means the number of trans identifying male sex offenders recorded in the statistics is most likely an underestimate?

By the way, you didn't answer the question about how anyone is supposed to know whether he genuinely believes he identifies as a woman or not.

What's the test?

I think that the whole conflict with this issue is how its framed. If the slogan was 'trans women were more like women than men behaviourally' instead on 'trans women are women' would it be so upsetting?

Yes, it would be equally upsetting and also equally untrue.

I’ve seen figures from the Prison service which suggest a figure of GRCs in the early teens. Which in itself is quite striking when only a few thousand men have one. I think there’s a level of length of time in prison before that is recorded too. So we’re not talking about people in there for weeks, but in there for more serious crimes. No judge is going to send a trans identified male with a GRC to prison for shoplifting.

Think we might both have had that conversation back in the day with the cold chap and the chap who isn't fluent in French in the brightly coloured place.

@Howseitgoin “No. Trans women just like CIS women are capable of committing rape. Their individual criminality has no bearing on whether they qualify as women.”
NO mate. Women CANNOT rape because they do not have penises. Please check the law “Legally, a person without a penis cannot commit rape”
So the only people who can rape are biological males. Women do commit sexual assaults including assisting with rape, but as no woman has a penis they can’t rape.

“Closed thinkers” 🤣🤣🤣

Because we don’t believe humans can change sex?

You’d believe anything. Or pretend you do.

😂😂😂

My personal fave was the fact that long time prisoners would skew the data for those who are male with transgender identities.

I mean ... classic!!! Fancy making that statement while ignoring that the same effect will impact the data for male people without a transgender identity. But apparently, Allsop's work is commendable and debunks the statistics. You really cannot make this up!

Just to add, that UK prison data also includes those male people in the UK who may claim systemic racism.

Do you mean the one with the aggressive guy who lives with rabbits?

Thank you OP.
It's treads like yours that allow us to hear more from some of the best brains here.
It's people like you that help many here, that have been lurking and listening to peak!

It's great hearing from people like the OP. If anyone needed further confirmation that this movement is fundamentally a Male Rights Activist one, he has demonstrated that beautifully.

See OP. You are doing an pearl of a job here.

Good work!

I read the OP and saw the direction of travel but applaud all the many efforts to engage this poster’s critical thinking. Such posters just never answer the hard questions and instead resort to and rely on illogical sarcasm as their rebuttals.

Hopefully other lurkers reading the thread will understand some of the key issues. This perspective, however, does tell us why Australian women have had rights removed and why they’re threatened so violently by TRAs. The image of the hysterical TW beating a drum under the nose of the police horse comes to mind.

Anyone else like to answer

How many additional women and girls being attacked or harmed in anyway in female single sex spaces are acceptable to you before we can expect to exclude ALL male people above the age of 8 years old?

My answer is 0, nil, zero.

I'd still like to know what a penguin personality is ...

Playful? Class clown type? Is that it?

Gosh! Was out all of yesterday so never even spotted this. Haven’t RTFT but enough to see that the OP is displaying massive determination to promote the admission of men into women’s single sex spaces.

The fact that they misunderstand and misquote the actual law, are rude, entitled and dismissive and show not the slightest empathy towards women rather undermines their case.

Also 0.

I'd be disgusted by anyone who l's answer is higher. But clearly there are many of them around 🤬