Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

WRONG! If the MALE wasn't trans, the predator-enablers wouldn't defend what he did, and THEN it wouldn't have gotten coverage.

If he were an ordinary male, he'd be fired on the spot. But because he uses the LOOPHOLE trans, people like you say it's ok for this male predator to do what no other male could get away with.

If he wasn't 'trans', you wouldn't defend or enable him.

BINGO!!!

They are trying to have it both ways. It's the "It didn't happen. But if it did, it's a good thing!" excuse.

It doesn't surprise me that some people will defend anything if they're convinced it's in a good cause. I've spent long enough with the activist class (not just TRAs by any means) that it's become quite boring to me.

And it doesn't surprise me that some people think safeguarding doesn't apply when a special caste of men is involved. We've seen that before.

What takes me to the fair is how someone can, at quite short notice, construct an imaginary version of what MUST have happened and then wang on for dozens of posts about how everyone else is LYING (but if it did happen it would have been totally ok).

Semantics?

Accosting is in the eye of the accosted.

A 14 year old girl who is shopping in the underwear department of M&S would not have been expecting to have a staff member contact her.

As she was in the underwear department she definitely would not have expected that the staff member who contact her would be male. Therefore from her perspective she could have found the contact to be both agressive and threatening.

But arguing over semantics will not change the circumstance of his making contact with the girl in the underwear deparrment.

If the male had in fact been assigned to work in the underwear department why would M&S go to such lenghts to obfuscate this fact?

A clear statement to confirm that a M&S manager had indeed instructed the male to work there would at this stage be the act of a responsible employer.

accost

[uh-kawst, uh-kost]
Phonetic (Standard)IPA
verb (used with object)
to confront boldly.
The beggar accosted me for money.
to approach, especially with a greeting, question, or remark.

Wrong! M&S confirmed with the mother that the male in question should have been in Homeware.

Wrong! Responding to a customer and fulfilling their enquiry IS proactive engagement!

No, she did not state that at all!

The mother did not say she saw the employee approaching.

The public ARE the markets! And femphobes, misogynist bigots and chauvinist pigs who defend male predators are seeing that they are in the minority. Just as Budweiser did. It's really that simple.

Are you from Rotherham?

It doesn't matter if it's a teenage girl, or my 77 year old mum, no woman should be approached by a man in the lingerie department, whether he thinks he's special or not.

But you can bet he wouldn't have approached my mum. Can't think why.....

When a trans identifying male is accused of wrong doing, TRA are forced into miss Marple mode and have to quickly decide

• if a crime has actually being committed under trans rules

• if they can cast shade on the witness, so even if it happened - it wasnt the trans persons fault

• or ignore and pretend it never happened.

They are best off going for the latter every time, but this was M&S bra department, its their special place. So they couldnt not talk about it.

So they have forced themselves into saying that its perfectly normal for a man to wander away from his job in homeware to help a girl in the underware department. And the mother is making a big deal over nothing. He must have seen the mother! And the 14 year old is old enough to be polite to the helpful homeware worker.

Usually, allies would shout out that they are always helped by the dudes in homeware when looking for a balcony bra. But theyve been oddly quiet.

What it comes down to, is this:

a girl was so distressed by a male approaching her to talk about bras, that she refuses to go back to the store again. She was truly distressed.

So it's clearly far more than the 'innocent' exchange the enablers on here are saying it is.

If we can pay so much attention to a grown man feeling 'hurt' because he was correctly-sexed - er, sorry, misgendered, why can't we also feel for a young girl in distress?

Why does her feelings matter less than the feelings of a grown man?

Haven’t caught up with the whole thread but Mr Countdown was steered in the direction of another retailer today. Typical geek but when he spends he spends big.

He has zilch brand loyalty but goes where I go. His only interest is tech and cars L I decide everything else.

Time to hit M&S where it hurts. They need people like me with spending power. Every small protest counts.

👋🏻 at M&S if they follow this thread. One person might not make a difference but if more of us do that will make a difference! 💪🏻 to the people!

@PlanetJanette While you are clearly flogging a dead horse, I couldn't possibly suggest that you are guilty of BDSM, Necrophilia or Bestiality. I can, however, say that your desperate attempts to justify that man's behaviour disgust me.

Of course men shouldn't be bloody bra fitters.

I don't care if they want to fit bras on each other, but certainly not in a woman's department.

I have to say, what kind of person posts endlessly on a thread, where everyone is saying how awful it was that a man approached a teen girl about bras, and then says are you saying men shouldn't be bra fitters???

On a point of order, last time I checked, outside of PIE circles, 14 year olds are still considered to be minors.

The last time I encounted PJ they were swearing blind, across umpteen posts, that there was no indecent exposure at Pride and it was a totally safe environment for kids and those of us who had seen indecent exposure at Pride should be ashamed of ourselves for believing our lying eyes.

There's consistency there at least. Along with a boiling anger at anyone who suggests the narratives they construct to explain the world don't correspond to reality.

There are some rocks that we can grab hold of in the swirling nebulous cloud that is gender identity

• 14 year olds are minors
• men shouldn't try to engage 14 year old girls that they find in the lingerie section

It's unfashionable to say this, but I don't think we can really get a grip on the grooming gang scandal without acknowledging that the Blair government's Teenage Pregnancy Strategy might have played a role in leading public authorities to believe that the age of consent is just a nebulous guideline.

The response to safeguarding failures should be to improve and toughen safeguarding. Which means taking the whole "14 year olds are still children" thing seriously.

I cast a very beady eye on people who openly say we should reduce or eliminate safeguarding for certain categories of men.

I cast a very beady eye on people who openly say we should reduce or eliminate safeguarding for certain categories of men.

Yes. As has been pointed out in various ways, people who defend this ideology to the point of decimating safeguarding, are motivated by such extreme self interest, that it makes them blind, not only to normal principles, but to how they come across to everyone else.

So many red flags. It's astonishing that they don't seem to get this.

Just for clarification. I am & always have been a male.

PJ is just using the standard TRA ploy of deflection & lies plus an obsession with JKR. He obviously cares nothing for safeguarding as demonstrated by his approval of a creepy man approaching a teenage girl in a lingerie department.

I had thought that I had read that you were. It was adding to my dissonance alarm clanging away!

Sadly though, from experience of old, nothing will stop this poster from simply continuing doubling down. And feeling righteous in doing so.