Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

[BeeSourianteAgain]

M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

Why would M&S even apologise if the assistant wasn’t Trans?

Strange.

in the real world as opposed to the make believe world occupied by TRA, any company dragged through the social media mire the way M&S have been would be issuing statements and press releases from the rooftops denying the story and saying the employee wasn't trans. I mean why on earth wouldn't they??

I tried to find out if Rachel is a journalist. There's one that pops up on the independent for having two freelance opinion pieces mouthing off at Zac Goldsmith and Boris Johnson. From the look of her ramblings on twitter it probably is.

She did an anti Elon flounce from twitter.

Her twitter says she previously worked for a comments moderation agency until 2018, with major news orgs as clients.

In a post from 2023 she stated that 'what I think is that the TERFs/GC were very effective at legitimising their arguments by wrapping it up in academic language, which makes it more appealing to lawmakers/media. It's all very Trump and 'legitimate economic concerns'.

In other words she didn't like it very much when people came along with coherent arguments and due process. They don't really work for a censor who thought she should have the power to decide right and wrong and impose it on everyone else rather than listening, engaging and increasing understanding.

So she's one of the nameless who controlled the conversation about this for so long and still seems bewildered at a backlash demanding accountability.

Notably in terms of balance and fairness it's worth having a look at her position on things in that context.

Oddly enough she knows all the 'right' causes and has all the 'right' political opinions.

Oh and she complains about her freedom of speech being violated by the government in 2023. Which is quite funny for someone who has been paid in the past to be a censor and thinks that gender critical views shouldn't be allowed and aren't legitimate!

It's most enlightening.

The problem is that they were male. Their identity/fashion choices don't matter at all.

The mother and daughter recognised the employee as male. Something we all do every day with the people we meet, with high accuracy.

BINGO.

I feel all Mrs Merton today.

Hello Bee. I’m still waiting to hear how you acquired your current sex. Any answers yet?

No, we know that the newspaper report only mentioned "tall". It's likely that there were a number of things that led to the identification of "trans" which the newspaper has not bothered to print, because a long description was unnecessary.

Unless you mean that the employee could have just been a man and not trans at all, and the shopper should not have assumed?

The lengths that certain posters will go to to legitimise creepy men trying to engage teenage girls in conversation about underwear is quite something isn't it?

So many red flags .

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

Mate. If a big bloke goes up to a 14 year old girl, shopping for her first bra, and she is intimidated by that: WE BELIEVE HER.

Blimey, most 14 year old girls are mortified to say the word bra to their own mothers.

aw bless.

What first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?

@BeeSourianteAgain the man in question was not just doing his job.
He doesn't work in the lingerie department.
He isn't trained to do bra fitting.
He had no excuse for approaching the poor girl in question.

So we've got a man approaching a child in a department that he shouldn't be in wanting to help her choose a bra, something that hes not trained to do and you think that's him just doing his job.

No trans panic going on here just the calling out of a creepy inappropriate male

You’re right, no one knows if he was trans. But the mother and daughter certainly knew he was male.

Lol

"Hello young girl, who appears to be alone, and looking at knickers and bras, do you need any help with that?"

Unfortunately for the OP, and people defending this, all these lame denials just smack of feverish complicity.

And let’s be honest, in a big M&S store, when was the last time that you were approached by a member of staff in ANY department asking if you needed assistance with something?

Stores just don’t have the staffing levels for them to be wandering around these days, which makes it even odder that this one employee happened to have the time, and decided of all the shoppers in the store, the young teen girl looking at lingerie was the best shopper to offer their assistance to!

Every time I've actually needed an assistant in pretty much any large UK store in the last five years or so, you'll be hard pushed to find one immediately. They all seem to hide from you the second you actually need assistance and them to do some work.

And even more inappropriate for the male employee from groceries to target not a woman but an apparently lone teenage girl.

Oh what a surprise, the OP seems to have disappeared.

I thought the girl was with her mum?

There's another thread with an outbreak of
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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at request of the OP.

I can't work out whether the OP suddenly saw the light and realised they had written a load of obvious nonsense and decided to spare themselves further embarrassment by withdrawing all their other posts, or whether they want to claim that they were 'cancelled' on MN...

I expect it was the latter.

If the message to Rachel is real then it is a bit adjacent.

It says that '... they were not working on bra fit or offering this'

This was never suggested - the issue is that the male employee decided to approach an unaccompanied (at the time of approach) 14 year old girl in the lingerie department. From the mother's response, it is clear that the approach frightened the girl

Also noted, the lack of gendered language when the e-mail describes the employee

Apparently there's a plan to expose MN on reddit or some other such wank.

Probably calls for the online safety bill to be used to close down MN or something daft.

And lots of squeaking about bigotry and genocide.

Cos you know, we are evil and hateful for talking about safeguarding and safeguarding is transphobic.

To be charitable about it if M&S had found a problem then their data protection would mean they couldn't confirm if a disciplinary or retraining had happened.

They could talk in general terms about existing safeguarding policies across their stores to ensure all staff approach customers appropriately. But weirdly this is absence from all correspondence I've seen...