If they are still on her twitter, why didn’t you post them when your misrepresentation was pointed out?
So, do tell where does this specifically say the M&S employee offered bra fitting :
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1953137839769534796?s=46
”Once again, I marvel at how many men think the only issue with a man offering to help a teenage girl with her bra is that the girl refused. They tweet this stuff under their own names and pictures. It's astounding.”
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1952931205055430729?s=46
“It's really quite astounding how many men are willing to state publicly that mothers shouldn't teach their teenage daughters to say 'no' to male strangers offering to help with their bras.”
And this in reply to Willoughby’s whataboutery about lesbians.
https://x.com/jkrowling/status/1952908877265359132?s=46
“Let me make this really easy for you, India. Lesbians belong in the women's changing room because they're women. Cross-dressing men who offer to fit bras on teenage girls belong in a police interview room.”
Or this
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1952498789824033247?s=46
”It's time for women to vote with their wallets. If stores like M&S continue to flout the Supreme Court ruling on women-only spaces, prioritising the wishes of men who want to undress near, or help fit bras on teenage girls, a boycott seems appropriate.”
You see, there is a difference between her responding to discussions that had started around the tasks that male employees might undertake if they are working in bra/lingerie departments/stores and accusing the specific M&S staff member of doing a particular thing.
But apparently, that distinction passed over your head. And even when it was pointed out to you, you doubled down as you have down for years.
Do you understand the difference?
If you had said ‘people on the internet are so focused on male people doing bra fittings. Even billionaire authors.’ You could be said to be writing the equivalent approach she has.
However, you specifically accused her of lying. Over and over.
Here we go:
21.08
“Because a sales assistant of any sex politely checking if customers need help and going about their day if they say no isn’t a safeguarding issue, even if the customers are a mother shopping with her teenage daughter.
Which is why every description of what happened has to outright lie (eg JKR telling her millions of followers that the employee was offering bra fitting, claiming that the girl was ‘accosted’, that the employee was ‘hovering around’), or to use really fucking weird language like the employee ‘made contact’ as if she was an extra terrestrial being bumping into the girl.
The lies are necessary because no one believes that what actually happened is actually some outrageous breach of safeguarding.”
I mean this above is a great example. This below can be debated as to whether you were accusing JK Rowling specifically if it was a single post without the prior context.
21.11
“Or as if those of us who do not want our trans friends to suffer recognise an absolutely abhorrent and dangerous trend of transphobes to identify a specific individual and use a pliant media and celebrity power to actively lie about them.”
Back to a direct accusation.
21.14
“So what’s your explanation as to why so many people talking about how outrageous this all is have to lie about what happened.
If ‘trans sales assistant politely checks if mother and teenage daughter shopping in lingerie department need help and goes about her day when they say no’ is really an outrageous safeguarding risk, why are so many folk like JKR having to lie and embellish?
There’s a very simple answer - none of you actually believe that what actually happened stands up as anything even vaguely worthy of the outrage.”
Back to general
22.59
“So no explanation on why so many people feel the need to lie about what happened?
What a surprise?”
23.03
“We can surely agree that lying about what a trans person did in order to whip up outrage is transphobic though, right?
Since you’re so compassionate and all, I assume you’ll have no problem in recognising that lying about someone from a minority group in order to stoke outrage relating to common tropes about that group is one of the hallmarks of bigotry?”
23.06
“Another one refusing to venture a suggestion on why so many people feel the need to lie about what happened.
Occams razor applies here. If one side needs to spread falsehoods about something that happened, the simplest explanation is that what actually happened didn’t support their arguments.”
And this one to me pointing out the basic fact, ie the safeguarding fail, had not been lied about. So, this is a great example.
And another direct accusation.
23.11
“There have been no lies?
So JK Rowling repeatedly claiming that the employee was offering to do a bra fitting wasn’t a lie?”
I am going to add this c&p of my own post where I am pointing out your dishonest representation of my own post.
/start
Helleofabore · Yesterday 23:22
“There has been no lies that a male person approached a 14 year old girl in the bra section.”
“This is a basic fact that is not a lie”.
“Notice how very specifically I did not say anything about bra fitting? Yet, you have just completely added facts to change what I said. That is dishonest but not unexpected.”
”That is actually you lying though. So it seems hypocritical to discuss alleged lies of others.”
End/
Now back to you, after both Sabrina and I even pointed out you were misrepresenting what JK Rowling had said.
You are still making direct accusations despite people pointing out your error in interpreration.
23.50
“You don’t know who she is, her account is riddled with inconsistencies, but you believe her.
Did you believe JK Rowling when she repeatedly lied and said the employee had offered bra fitting?”
23.56
“Yes she [JK Rowling] did. They are still on her Twitter feed. At least twice - she referred to the employee as a ‘cross-dressing man who wants to help fit bras on teenage girls’ and a ‘cross-dressing man who offer to fit bras on teenage girls’.
Why do you think she lied?”
This is where you start to pick up your error and stopped with the fuckwittery about JK Rowling. Probably because you did go back to her tweets and realised you wanted to avoid posting the evidence to support your numerous and direct claims that she lied.
Because, even after you checked the tweets were still up on her account, you didn’t link them, despite being asked. Or maybe you didn’t even check when posting at 23.56 and you just assumed your post would be true and accurate.
To finally laughably post ….
0.02
“’Oh I never said this employee was hovering around’
’JK Rowling never said this specific employee offered bra fittings’
I hope you folk never have to face a defamation trial because your defences would be hilarious.”
You repeatedly misrepresented what JK Rowling posted, just like others have done. You probably allowed their malignly intended misrepresentations to confirm your own bias.
When it was pointed out to you, and people asked to you post your evidence, you doubled down and did a swerve to insulting other people’s comprehension. I must say though, I would value the posters you insulted’s research feeding into a defamation defence over your contributions and analysis.
And all this makes your post to cosimarama at 00.10 quite outstanding considering it was discussing your personal interpretations and characterisation. Which when you look at your posts about JK Rowling would seem to be rather poorly judged.
All on a thread called ‘Misinformation Correction- M&S Staff’ which hypocritically was spreading Misinformation in the very opening post. Which is of course, not your thread/not your post but is humorous all things considered.
Edited to bold areas to make a long post a bit easier to read.