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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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BeeSourianteAgain · 08/08/2025 14:03

M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

Bluesky

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

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SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 12:27

JKR has a bit of fun with Julie Bindel about the necessity of daily bra conversations.

Meanwhile creepy TRA bloke wanting to prop up his view that TWAW and their current obsession with bras is completely normal, trawls through MN to find online conversations women have about bras and can’t resist shoehorning ‘GC’ into it.

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AnSolas · 20/08/2025 13:07

SabrinaThwaite

His original tweet was as I understand it attempting to justify the men posting on X about their plans to harrass female M&S staff by booking a bra fitting appointment?

So he plops down on MN and missed or dismisses yhe posters explaining why M&S needed to safeguard both staff from pervy men and allegations of sexual misconduct and customers from pervy men and (yep your right) allegations of sexual.🚩🚩🚩
[(Edit) TBF that is a lot of women talking about bras 🤷‍♀️]

Bunny is in for a shock 🤣
Between 18th and today the word has been used 2489 times and
MN returns over 2500 results for M&S + bra.

But it looks as if M&S have created a process?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/styleandbeauty/5394686-m-s-bra-fitting

M &S bra fitting | Mumsnet

I had an interesting experience at M&S yesterday. I went for a bra fitting. I know they're not brilliant but Bravissimo etc are over an hours dri...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/style_and_beauty/5394686-m-s-bra-fitting

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 13:43

@AnSolas

Thanks for expanding on the background.

Interesting that M&S are fitting by eye, but I’m sure certain customers will still find the whole bra chat ‘validating’.

I know Rigby and Peller have fitted by eye for years as a friend used to go to the London store.

murasaki · 20/08/2025 14:00

Did Sophie Wally ever turn up do we know?

SinnerBoy · 20/08/2025 14:07

Come on, it's childish to mock his name.

It's Soapy.

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 14:11

SinnerBoy · 20/08/2025 14:07

Come on, it's childish to mock his name.

It's Soapy.

Or Peggy.

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 14:34

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 13:43

@AnSolas

Thanks for expanding on the background.

Interesting that M&S are fitting by eye, but I’m sure certain customers will still find the whole bra chat ‘validating’.

I know Rigby and Peller have fitted by eye for years as a friend used to go to the London store.

Take that background with a health warning as I am not able to see the exchange on twitter🤷‍♀️

Lins77 · 20/08/2025 15:23

In my experience they do mostly fit by eye.

Daughter had first bra fitted at John Lewis. Fitter looked at her (with clothes on, obviously), brought a few to try on, left the room until called back to check the fit (mostly by eye, some adjustment of straps after asking permission to do so).

Similar experience for me at Bravissimo (sadly now closed locally).

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 19:43

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 14:34

Take that background with a health warning as I am not able to see the exchange on twitter🤷‍♀️

Oh Lordy, I had a look back on the Bunny Botherer’s TwiX and he’s obsessed with how much he thinks women talk about bras.

Not weird or creepy at all. He really took offence at this response.

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BeLemonNow · 20/08/2025 19:51

Most of the X responses were along the lines of "it's even creepier searching Mumsnet for bra chat." Or TBF I once mentioned a bra in 1997 (!).

I did a quick Mumsnet "bra" search and it's mainly "Help! I can't find a bra that is comfortable and/or supports me properly."

Occasionally "Hallelujah for the first time ever I've found a comfortable bra!".

There's nothing wrong with chatting about bras it's just there's generally not a lot of interesting things to say.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 20/08/2025 20:49

murasaki · 20/08/2025 14:00

Did Sophie Wally ever turn up do we know?

Edited

Possibly, maybe. Let's just say they claim they did however no photos from the actual fitting and carrying a bag outside the store doesn't really prove much. Photo will take time to load

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DeanElderberry · 20/08/2025 21:06

Slightly odd wording -

'I got my feet fitted for shoes! Proud biped moment.'

Surely it's the shoes that get fitted, not the feet?

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 21:12

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 19:43

Oh Lordy, I had a look back on the Bunny Botherer’s TwiX and he’s obsessed with how much he thinks women talk about bras.

Not weird or creepy at all. He really took offence at this response.

Hes one who in part i think jumped on the bandwagon to "hide" his contempt of women [he gets to be an abusive man in plain sight] which is sad but not suprising.

Hoardasurass · 20/08/2025 21:13

murasaki · 20/08/2025 14:00

Did Sophie Wally ever turn up do we know?

Edited

Don't know but he hasn't posted the promised photos

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 21:47

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 21:12

Hes one who in part i think jumped on the bandwagon to "hide" his contempt of women [he gets to be an abusive man in plain sight] which is sad but not suprising.

Interesting that Comerford had to apologise to John Byrne a few years ago after accusations of transphobia.

archive.ph/VFlhe

BeLemonNow · 20/08/2025 22:11

DeanElderberry · 20/08/2025 21:06

Slightly odd wording -

'I got my feet fitted for shoes! Proud biped moment.'

Surely it's the shoes that get fitted, not the feet?

Yeah it isn't breasts that get fitted it's the bra. They don't just hover.

Relates to TRA claims their breasts are the same as women's. Nah.

Men have different, usually wider rib cages. Hormones don't change skeletons. Women's breasts often change size and shape during their monthly cycle. Probably a few other differences.

I wouldn't have want to fit a transwoman bra without appropriate training, and of course my actual consent.

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 22:49

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 14:11

Or Peggy.

Oh ewww!!!

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 22:50

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 22:49

Oh ewww!!!

Sorry, but I can’t get that vile image out of my mind…

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 22:51

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 22:50

Sorry, but I can’t get that vile image out of my mind…

So you spread it around ? 😱

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 22:51

SabrinaThwaite · 20/08/2025 21:47

Interesting that Comerford had to apologise to John Byrne a few years ago after accusations of transphobia.

archive.ph/VFlhe

He bet his hat and house (which at the time someone on twitter said was in a nice part of Dublin) and lost so humble pie was the next best option

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/civil-law/law-on-defamation/

Its all fun and games until there is legal advice🙃

The law on defamation in Ireland

You can take legal action against a person or corporation who makes a ‘defamatory statement’ to another person.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/civil-law/law-on-defamation/

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 22:52

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 22:51

So you spread it around ? 😱

Those who never saw it won’t suffer!

murasaki · 20/08/2025 22:55

A problem shared is a problem someone else has!

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 23:00

Whippy is also a candidate as an alternative nickname.

Hoardasurass · 21/08/2025 07:37

Samscaff · 20/08/2025 22:52

Those who never saw it won’t suffer!

We all saw it 🤢🤮

DefineHappy · 21/08/2025 09:57

That’s a big bag for moob holder…