NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #41

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38
Thread 39: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378747-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-39
Thread 40: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378996-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-40

from herald
2:59pm
Anne Hamilton says she has worked for NHS Fife since 2006. She is a HR advisor.
She has only met Dr Upton and Ms Peggie once during conduct hearings.
2:57pm
The row over pronouns has undoubtedly been the standout from the evidence today so far.
Here is the write up from Political Editor Andrew Learmonth: Sandie Peggie treated liked 'heretic' says legal team

Pronoun gate also shows I think the difficulty some of the witnesses have irrespective of NC own use. Even IB had trouble referring to Dr. Upton as "she" despite supposed allyship.

Dr Upton is a transwoman who has a right to use the changing room, she said. Er, NO

These organisations need training in what the actual law is, pronto!

When I read the judge asking 'Will you take an oath'? I hear 'Ye'll have had yer tea'

It's Anne from HR 😁

Am I right in saying that this should have been an exact transcript of the recording?! Utterly shocking that she would have allowed DU to manipulate the record of the meeting like this!!

Thank you for your service sir! 👏

This witness will go over to tomorrow as JR said an hour in Chief and half hour in cross.

<sigh>

They are not going to finish all the witnesses in time. Maybe they will postpone submissions to another date. Which other one did that recently?

P1 - what did you do with names given
Fifer : pit them in twa columns. Guid Guy, and Wank. Standard Procedure.

@BezMills laughed so loud at this that I woke the cat up who was fast asleep under my desk.

My DH has asked how JR can say "DU is not a man" with a straight face - said it's obvious to anyone with eyes in their head that DU is a man.

Still behind on threads but I have this week subscribed monthly to the Tribunal Tweets substack and SexMatters

It sounds like its revealing how they are being used as a tool to try to intimidate and distress people, too.

But she admitted that it would be fine to challenge "Pete" using the female changing room. 🤔

🙄

Ah, will ye take an oath?

Wee cuppa tea and some oath biscuits would go down nicely.

The Pool tournament ones; though I think they knew that the SC judgment was imminent?

Banana oath pancakes

'Exorcism' seems to be still popping up. Is the scary stenography machine (whose keys mean what it wants them to mean) exercising a supernatural influence on other keyboards? Should it be exercised/exorcised?

Don't start me on oathcakes, I'm on a diet.

So the only difference is Dr U uses the name "Beth", wears female clothes (though mostly scrubs probably) and says he is a woman.

If Pete says while in CR that he is henceforth "Pam", can he still be asked to leave?

Exorcism may relate to when Mrs Doyle ratchets up the insistence on a cuppa tea and some oathcakes.

JR plodding going through dates of what happened when, which also isn't going to look good for her side - in one leap we've gone from March to Nov with nothing much achieved. I think 'urgency' was announced in.. April, was it?

No, because magic words.

Naomi went there with a witness, Isla I think. Pete could be questioned up to the time he said he was a woman.

JR.... SP did not escalate to head of nursing or grievance

is there evidence she did escalate, and will NC produce it?