NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #39

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38

Does anyone know if Michael Foran did a live podcast today? Or did I miss it?

Continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378996-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-40

Thinking about the Sandie / Rihanna thing, it seems to me they have a fine relationship that Rihanna doesn't want to spoil by speaking out against Sandie.

That post from JKR reminded me of a Ben Cooper quote, or rather a variation on it

Kind eh! How's that working out for you?

Awesome observation by JKR about kindness. I can always spot a twat, because kind people don't tell others to be kind, they just are kind.

Oh dear https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/s/kt9RnkHjTp

Nearly as long as an NHS Fife statement!

But HR are aware that Sandie's suspension was not appropriate from the off. Their advice was not followed if I understand correctly.

Oh my.

Remember people higher up the food chain will be wanting to protect their backside too.

Oh we rely on HR, they said not to suspended Sandie
But other managers decided to do it anyway and nobody told the chief who's now got the phone book down their trousers 👖 protecting their ass from a kicking!

Remember everyone is watching this inc the First Minster who can probably fire the management board.

It seems unlikely that NHSF's email policy is to delete after 30 days.

If it is, then is it a policy the board would have to sign off?

Having users decide what is relevant / not relevant, what to keep and discard, sounds very lax. How does a user know what will be important in six weeks or six months.

FWIW my work emails are received by a company server and are the property of the company. They are not my property to decide to delete

If a user claims that they regularly use 'Re:' to start emails then it should be easy enough to produce 4 or 5 more contemporaneous message chains that start this way

i am catching up very very late.

Am I right in saying that Naomi Cunningham said that Sandie never mentioned Isla Bryson but then Jane Russell found a document which said that she did, and it was read out. So it looked like a bit of an own goal for Naomi.
But somehow it was then teased out that in fact Kate Searle was the one who had filled in the information about Isla Bryson by name. So a bit like a goal being disallowed because it was offside? Although I imagine own goals can't be offside.

I thought Tuesday was bad; this was worse.

The comments underneath rather suggest that he should bore off.

😂

He’s posted it also on the trans uk subreddit and even they are giving editing tips!

I was in fact so appalled by what I read today that I felt the most useful thing I could do to try to stop this nonsense was to bung some money towards Faye Russell-Caldicott, which I did. I had a little money spare because I cancelled my Lib Dem subs because of their TWaW nonsense.

And let's not forget that KS then knew DU had lied to her. A bit like telling a jury they are to disregard something - never really works.

He said on twitter that he was planning to do one but had had one of 'those' days so he'll do the next live podcast tomorrow and cover both days.

As the thread is nearly full I’m going off on a tangent. I have just noticed how Sandie colour coordinates her handbags! As if she wasn’t awesome enough!

Also noticed how the news keeps featuring the picture of Victoria Hospital sign with the letters missing.

Attention to detail folks. I rest my case.

She looks so much less stressed.
I wish her piper was back.

I too like to colour coordinate bags. Good for Sandie, and shows her attention to detail, so important in her profession.

He isn't observing & I don't find his summaries very accurate (I have been observing).

Liking this also.

I tend to have one black, one blue and one tan handbag to cover all eventualities.

I should Be More Sandie.