NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #39

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38

I agree. When I explained the situ to DH last night, his first suggestion was that KS had it in for SP and used the BU situation to settle a score.

Great spot. If its not picked up on when the witness is there, would contradictions like this likely be addressed in closing?

I’ve seen him in real life, he was very obviously a man in a skirt. There is no way on earth anyone would pass him for a woman.

Just thought i would have a look on Reddit before i put a film on and try to sleep and transgenderuk are diagnosing and dissecting us its fairly amusing and quite insulting and its everything you would expect!! 😂

Wow 38 threads+ for NHS Fife on Terfnet
I can't believe that lot over there. 38,500 obsessive vindictive rambling comments so far and counting. Don't those hags have anything better to do?

Well ladies.. 😂🤦‍♀️

Definitely! They didn't exactly seem to be falling over themselves to declare their support for poor, distressed Dr Upton - their lack of responses to Searle's email was quite telling, I thought.

So either KS is lying, or she meets people with her eyes shut.

On a serious note, I think Miranda Hart would make good Kate Searle casting in the movie. The wispy page boy / posh gums combo, the boy craziness and the sly looks to camera - best supporting actress BAFTA should be a shoo in.

Twas actually a joke - I seem to recall IB was trying to suggest she wasn't just a trans ally but also an ally to stray kittens, pink things, soft toys the other protected characteristics (apart from actual female women coz reasons). She was suggesting her time efforts and lanyards were also given to other issues.

Can an M365 administrator do that if staff are still using Outlook? Many still are.

It would be 38,502 but I wasn't allowed to say something.

Ignore that.

That's fucking hilarious. I await tomorrow's proceedings with great appreciation for these threads and the pillars that hold 'em steady.

In 2023 the GMC updated its 'Good Medical Practice' professional guidance for doctors, adding 'kindness' as a duty of a doctor to patients and colleagues. Here's the bit about colleagues.

https://www.gmc-uk.org/professional-standards/the-professional-standas/good-medical-practice/domain-3-colleagues-culture-and-safety
I wonder if KS, especially in her role as DU's clinical supervisor, was so anxious to fulfil her duty to be 'kind' to her colleague, especially if worrying that he could potentially report her to the GMC if perceiving her not to be kind, that this impaired her judgement somewhat. And wonder if that's why she kept saying that she is kind in the tribunal today. I mean, it's not kind to enable obsessive opposite-sex role-play but whatever professional guidance that can be found seems to suggest it is what one must do.

Long time lurker here just tagging on with my first ever post to thank posters here for the info, analysis and humour.
Also, I haven't read the book and can't remember how I came across it but for some reason or other I find myself thinking often of this quote....

“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
― Aldous Huxley, Crome Yellow

I will now resume lurking, many thanks again.

Excuse me, I've done two v long dogwalks and packed for me 'ollies today! AND I ate a whole banana bread.

Anything better to do than ensure women have access to female only spaces when they need it and aren't vilified, abused, harassed, smeared and defamed for saying 'no to men?

No, I have nothing better to do.

Women are watching, lads. And we are going to ensure every one of you stays out of women's spaces, if we have to do it one workplace and service at a time.

Soz that was in reply to the reddit lot 😆

That's a biggun for a 'broidery but I love it. ☀️

Always nice to hear from a lurker, especially when they have good quotes to share.

Didn't she have "trans ally" or LGBTblah or something on her emails? And she was questioned about not having other protected characteristics on there? (as I recall)

Honestly, if a DEI officer sent out emails like that there isn't a chance in hell I'd expect her support for women's issues.

Here here!! With the help of…

I agree, despite the fact I can't stand Miranda Hart. The way Miranda says "sex" in that stupid voice would fit KS's script perfectly.

She had LGBT ally, I think.

Ha! I saw this, absolutely bloody brilliant. I think I have a mild crush on NC!

Someone recommended the podcast "This Isn't Working" on another of these threads, the most recent ep is 3wk ago and the host mentions this tribunal, and says the same - an experienced nurse, sterling record, willing to do nights - they'd be nuts to piss her off, she's gold dust.

[This Isn’t Working] Who's Ignoring The Supreme Court Ruling - And Why? (Ft. Helen Joyce & Inji Duducu) #thisIsntWorking
podcastaddict.com/this-isnt-working/episode/201849726 via @PodcastAddict