NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #38

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37

Interestingly, I'm at a very public, very busy tourist event and they have guards on the female toilets letting you in - but no guards on the men's.

No idea why. But does make you wonder.

You can also save posts using the 3 little dots icon at the top right of a post. I've never used it before but keep meaning to when someone posts something that could be really useful to quote.

The resumption of proceedings coincides with a few days off work for me, it only being half day chunks is a little disappointing. The GMC/MPTS take a very dim view of doctors being dishonest so if there has been collusion to withhold emails I do think that would merit referral. This despite the fact that the GMC records gender not sex on its registers 🙄

Not bothered either way.
I'm upset that autocorrect changed outwith!

I whizzed the oats and banana in the blender, made greige wallpaper paste which wasn't coming out of the blender without a fight. Found another recipe that said add an egg, did that, whizzed it, the "mixture" was more liquidy (not by much though). Fried it, then made the horrible mistake of trying to eat it.

It's just splitting hairs now but I think giving permission is not the same as instructing someone to do something.

Searle is saying she didn't tell him to, just that he could.

Likely irrelevant to the tribunal.

I think the main thing is that if it's true, Searle has finally realised that Upton has lied about her (or she's lying )

Who is her reputation in tatters with though?

Think logically about this, she colluded with a group of people of similar status to her. Amongst those people, her reputation is intact.

Except for the fact he, according to KS, told her he had used f be in previous job and, in her witness statement, according to Foran and Herald who have accessed the bundle, KS had also claimed to tell him there were also GN facilities he was welcome to use. This wasn’t mentioned in the stand but is clearly, if to be believed, far from an instruction and implies to panel that the testimony in places of both witnesses lacks credibility. The use of the word instruction implies DU wasn’t given alternative from
start. Very different from what KS is saying.

NHS legal shouldn’t be coaching anyone.

Maybe her job is safe since the NHS is the main employer of hospitals and the BMA / GMC is currently captured. But would I trust this woman if I worked with her? No chance.

She’s myopic, one sided, classist, defensive, involved in collusion in an investigation and thinks she’s above the law. So she will what comes to her in life. That’s my life critical belief.

I can see Naomi's hands typing. She has finished her sandwich.

It's giving me insight into voyeurism - not something I ever wished to have.

And spot on about it being no problem for the then non- NHS people. Mrs Brain England from the disciplinary panel is easy to Google.

3 of the 4 members on that panel couldn’t explain why they had voted the way they did and she was one of them.

What do you reckon was on the sandwich?

Looks like team Naomi have crisps as well....

<jealous>

Bet NHS Fife legal team have done a bit of coaching given the terrible things witnesses have said so far. Between them they have bullied a nurse out of the department and have probably impacted upon her mental health all for the cause that women have to ‘be kind’.

well , no we don’t, not anymore.

Naomi is now on a large packet of crisps. Posh ones.

Oh thanks for that. It will come in handy as I like to go back to informative posts for reference.

She's going to be the one that blew the gaff on them. Email chain and all, however hard she tried not to.

They will have had stonewall training telling them trans people will kill themselves if they are misgendered etc.

Not excusing any of it but setting the context.

Yes I've stepped away from the screen. It was feeling creepy watching someone eat their lunch. And those courgettes weren't going to grate themselves.

Some common thief has just stolen one of her tissues.

From the colour of the packet, and the fact the sandwiches had 'Pret' labels on them, I'm going to say those crisps are Sea Salt Crisps.

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Thankfully there are a few GC MPs and MSPs around. One of them did call for a public inquiry yesterday...

If the shit hot Fife NHS legal team - who signed off on that disastrous statement last Friday - have been coaching them, then no wonder they've all been so rubbish 😄

Naomi has now removed the bag of crisps.

Possibly to look more professional, but may be because she's reading this thread to help her determine which questions to lampoon KS with next and her greasy fingers are hampering her scrolling.

Here she is. And we have lift off