Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’

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Somewhat scraping the barrel with their arguments here. I have to admit that men who use hormones and drugs to induce "milk" to "feed" babies are not the person in this scenario that I'm worried about, the baby is.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/8a3f3784-e7b5-4d4e-bda4-fbb6128fd3b9?shareToken=0a544096c5296b8a5b6ebbafea2061d6

Wow, well done Helle.

No wonder trans activists attempt to shut Mumsnet down. Look at all this information, guaranteed to make people instantly grasp for the problem.

And if anyone is reading this thread and disagrees, then they are the problem.

Cabbageheads · Today 09:03

The number of men actually attempting to breastfeed babies might be v small, but lactation fetish is fairly well recognised,

Exactly. However, cross-dressing fetishism was also fairly well recognised and that didn't stop the trans cyborg.

Fortunately, as the ideology dies a death, I really don't think that the really quite revolting fetishism arm of it is going to be its saviour.

The person I feel desperately sorry for in each of these situations (apart from the baby of course) is the mother. No matter how right-on she was before giving birth, there's just no way that she doesn't realise on some level that what her male partner is doing is deeply wrong. After giving birth there's a visceral urge to protect your child. So she's having to override that feeling from an even stronger fear - of what? Afraid of the man's reaction if she says no to him? Ostracisation from the community? Or she's just that confused by the weird messaging that she suppresses her instincts?

My heart just breaks for those mothers. This will haunt them forever. They'll look back on their child's baby photos and be haunted remembering they let this happen.

Well, it's literally child sexual exploitation. One child suffering from it is one child too many.

No, it didn't.

What I am struggling to grasp is how many women are so desperate to believe that what is so obviously perverted or predatory male behaviour isn't perverted or predatory.

It's child abuse.

Why can't people, especially those who should fucking know better, see men "breastfeeding" for exactly what it is?

While I agree with your sentiment, I disagree on this: "After giving birth there's a visceral urge to protect your child".
If you are a healthy (enough) adult, yes, of course there is: it's how Nature intended it to be. But we live in a "fallen world": in other words, there are many cases of women who are prevented/unable to form the natural bond with their babies that is required to protect them. It is an utterly, terribly sad reality: some mothers can't love their children.
I believe these sexual predators know and choose these women purposefully.

Why do males need to breastfeed to bond with their children?!

Women who struggle with breastfeeding have to just get on with formula, regardless of how they feel.

Medication with lactation isn't given out routinely for women if they struggle with breastfeeding. Women can't get help with breastfeeding a lot of the time full stop.

BUT BEHOLD, A MAN HAS ARRIVED so we must pander to his needs.

Women's health and wellbeing isn't even on the radar in this narrative. If a male is breastfeeding the child, whats happening with the mother?

Women who struggle with breastfeeding have to just get on with formula, regardless of how they feel

This is what gets my goat. There are many many women who want to breast feed their own baby but can’t for any number of reasons, physical or medical, but there seems to be very little effort or money put into helping them. As you say they have no option but to use formula.

Why anyone thinks that any money should be spent on men who want to carry out this strange behaviour before every effort has been made to help mothers is unfathomable to me.

I saw this article a few days ago. Frankly I didn't read it because just the idea of it made me nauseous but this thread reminded me (I actually hoped someone else might have seen it so I could spare myself). It's as rage inducing as I feared it would be and I literally feel sick

https://archive.ph/53OOQ

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/28/nhs-midwives-trans-breastfeeding-workshops/

Joan Smith wrote about it in Unherd

https://archive.ph/HaCwA

https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-is-the-nhs-running-male-breastfeeding-workshops/?us

It's worth clicking on the Unherd link to read the comments, ignoring their resident tra, LangCleg makes an appearance and the article was archived before most were posted.

The NHS are paying for this indoctrination.

If, in practice, this is all about helping non binary women breastfeed, then knock yourselves out tbh. Especially if they're not on hormones, but just, you know, wearing manly clothes or whatever.

I'm not sure what "co-nursing" is but in my head it means, say, me breastfeeding my son next to my SIL breastfeeding her daughter.

But if it's all about helping men breastfeed then they can get into the sea.

Reading the article, I'm not sure tbh. I think it's all about transmen-mothers (ie female)

In number terms yes, but these things have a propensity to grow out of all proportion.You only have to think of Andrew Wakefield and how he and his few acolytes managed to big up a very faulty piece of research into the Measles Vaccine fiasco to realise that if a lie is repeated enough times some people think it becomes a truth.

men can breastfeed

anyone can change sex

cross sex hormones are reversible

a vaginal pouch works the same as a real vagina

you walk among transidentifying men and never notice them

men can become lesbians

They think saying male milk isn’t as good as women’s is “transmisogyny” though.

LLL have had a hissy fit as at least one very good peer breastfeeding support facebook group has been changed to Moma, as the leaders have switched to that group.

More proof positive that LLL only care about the menz.

worth noting that Moma support any woman / female and are female only. So yes the NBs are included.

This is good news!

Good. Women said this is exactly what they will have to do.

Set up alternative women only organisations. Like the LGB, and now Moma.

Unfortunately, after a couple of weeks, the updated Moma admin were forced to start a new group and inform members to move there before the group closed down, rather than keep running.

there were a few flounces when the first announcement to change to Moma was made, but really not many. then I think LLL insisted they set up a new group from scratch. Which is a spiteful and pointless imo but there you are. I think the remaining group will close as no admin.

We need those in power to stop trying to explain and simply start to enforce, as is their job.

Agree, and let's face it, surrogacy will give lots more babies to be experimented on.

*'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

Ms Buckley said her endocrinologist had suggested she try to produce breast milk a couple of months before her wife gave birth*.

I wonder how many infertile women do this, how many lesbian partner mothers do this?

And, yes, I know that adopting mothers can use lactation supplementation devices where they attach a tube to their nipple so that the baby can suckle formula 'at the breast'. I feel uneasy about these devices. Babies are not validation humans, any more than women are. On the other hand, I do remember the distress of struggling to breastfeed my dc1. But dc1 received just as much love, eye-contact, security and nutrition through the bottle as through the breast, and that was vastly more important than how I felt about the whole business.

Ms Buckley will also never be able to experience being a lion, a zebra, a member of the Royal Family or a potted plant.
Life is so cruel sometimes, but we all have to learn to manage our many small disappointments.
A properly engaged parent would hopefully want the best for their child, be it safely manufactured formula or breastmilk from a female who is not full of dubious drugs.

I have asked this on X and on previous threads here. If this is about the baby or even about the male parent being able to bond with the baby, why do we not encourage non trans identifying men to take drugs to allow them to share the burden of breastfeeding?

I know that they deliberately obscure language to confuse us but do they mean transmen's milk or transwomen's "milk" [pus]?

If they're going on about transmen's milk then I mean, if that transmen is the mother then that's the best thing for the baby.

I wonder because their slogan is "boys have babies too" (eurgh), which, while being grossly childlike, implies to me that they're centring transmen who are mothers. Ie female women who dress like men

There is a huge amount of detailed misinformation about safety and desirability of men inducing lactation in order to "breastfeed" babies in these two articles:

Lactation and theTranssexual Woman [Part 1]
https://secondtypewoman.info/lactation.htm

Lactation and theTranssexual Woman [Part 2]
https://secondtypewoman.info/lactation1.htm

This jumped out at me from the second article, for the estimated number of post-op male transsexuals in the UK who father children via surrogacy and frozen sperm: 700 a year!!

I have no idea if this is in any way accurate or pure propaganda, particularly since it recommends Mermaids as a source of information, but it also references the NHS. Would "the NHS" even hold this sort of information?

"There are no good statistics but using sources such as the NHS and Mermaids, it is reasonable to estimate that in the UK at least 700 post-GCS transwomen become the mother of a newborn baby each year. Most of these women are in their 20's or 30's, and many have used sperm frozen before surgery to impregnate a surrogate mother. They are thus just as much genetically related to the baby as a natal woman would be! Denying them the right to then breastfeed the baby is tragic."

I can feel another trawl of "What Do They Know?" coming on, unless someone already has information to confirm or debunk these claims?

'reasonable to estimate' = I'm making it up

They mean the actual men, hence “misogyny”