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Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’

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Igneococcus · 09/07/2025 00:41

Somewhat scraping the barrel with their arguments here. I have to admit that men who use hormones and drugs to induce "milk" to "feed" babies are not the person in this scenario that I'm worried about, the baby is.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/8a3f3784-e7b5-4d4e-bda4-fbb6128fd3b9?shareToken=0a544096c5296b8a5b6ebbafea2061d6

Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’

Scottish Trans claimed trans women who could produce milk would face ‘discrimination’ after the Supreme Court’s gender ruling as they were not legally female

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8a3f3784-e7b5-4d4e-bda4-fbb6128fd3b9?shareToken=0a544096c5296b8a5b6ebbafea2061d6

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Helleofabore · 09/07/2025 16:41

hormones are bio-identical
You mean fake

Yes!! And of course… no thought to that pesky testosterone …

Beowulfa · 09/07/2025 16:41

It's bio-essentialist to say males and females are different, but the hormones are bio-identical which means they're the same.

It's all just incoherent toddler-babble. At least toddlers occasionally say something cute and endearing.

Datun · 09/07/2025 16:42

Helleofabore · 09/07/2025 15:59

Does anyone remember the quote about the 'sizzle of electricity' that one male person felt when an infant's lips touched their nipple to suckle? The one that pondered whether women felt this arousal as well?

I cannot find it.

And I don't really want to google it...

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Yes. And he said it's better than something any lover could do, and asked people not to judge him.

🤮

Datun · 09/07/2025 16:46

I know you lot are sooo desperate to hold onto your 'magic sex essence' beliefs,

This is really making me laugh.

I've half a mind to tell my adult kids that they're only alive because of my magic sex essence 🤣

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2025 16:48

Datun · 09/07/2025 16:46

I know you lot are sooo desperate to hold onto your 'magic sex essence' beliefs,

This is really making me laugh.

I've half a mind to tell my adult kids that they're only alive because of my magic sex essence 🤣

Has anyone trademarked 'Magic Sex Essence' as a brand yet?

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2025 16:53

Bioidentical hormone therapy (BHRT) uses hormones that are chemically identical to those produced by the human body, often derived from plant sources.

Well, I guess women are the same as cactuses then.

Standardised 'body identical' vs non-standardised 'bioidentical'
What some clinics and compounding pharmacies offer as 'bioidentical HRT' uses these same hormones, but not necessarily in the same standardised dosages that are regulated by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

"The term 'bioidentical' is more of a marketing term really," says Dr Hannah Short, a GP who specialises in the menopause. "There are some private practitioners who will say they can make you a bespoke HRT, and there are concerns about these kind of unregulated and unstandardised treatments," she explains.

"A compounding pharmacy is still a completely licenced and regulated pharmacy. They would buy a certain amount of micronised progesterone or estradiol and mix it into an approved, clinically tested cream base or put it into a capsule," says hormone specialist Dr Mandy Leonhardt.

"Most of the time, it is exactly the same amount as any standardised, off-the-shelf, pharmaceutically-made product. However, compounding pharmacies charge a huge amount of money for this because each individual product is made on-site for each individual patient," she explains.

"These compounding pharmacies are criticised because the product they prescribe, even though the molecules and the hormones are exactly the same, are not individually trialled and tested in a scientific trial," she adds. As a result, Leonhardt explains, the NHS has begun using the term 'body identical hormones' to describe the standardised, regulated form, and to distance itself from non-standardised 'bioidenticals'.
https://patient.info/news-and-features/what-are-bioidentical-hormones-menopause-hrt

And there it is: The term 'bioidentical' is more of a marketing term really

Manxexile · 09/07/2025 16:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2025 07:23

I want to commend the Times on their use of photo though. A creepy smirking bloke and a gormless looking woman gurning with signs about JKR. The man’s threatening to burn her alive. What better depiction?

Shouldn't the man with the sign get banged up for two and a half years?

JellySaurus · 09/07/2025 16:59

cisgender women's breasts

What are these? What if a woman does not believe in gender? What if she is enbie? Is Bee saying that females' breasts vary according to their beliefs?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2025 16:59

You’d think so, wouldn’t you?

Helleofabore · 09/07/2025 17:01

Datun · 09/07/2025 16:42

Yes. And he said it's better than something any lover could do, and asked people not to judge him.

🤮

Oh. Yes.

I remember.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2025 17:01

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Hilarious

JustFeedMeCake · 09/07/2025 17:06

It’s absolutely fucking disgusting. It is child abuse. Vile men are abusing babies and it’s being condoned ffs. Those who are not concerned about it, there’s something very wrong with you too.

Igneococcus · 09/07/2025 17:14

Datun · 09/07/2025 16:46

I know you lot are sooo desperate to hold onto your 'magic sex essence' beliefs,

This is really making me laugh.

I've half a mind to tell my adult kids that they're only alive because of my magic sex essence 🤣

Says the man who then goes on to claim that bio-identical hormones give men breasts identical to female breasts, almost like magic breast essence.

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Datun · 09/07/2025 17:15

JellySaurus · 09/07/2025 16:59

cisgender women's breasts

What are these? What if a woman does not believe in gender? What if she is enbie? Is Bee saying that females' breasts vary according to their beliefs?

Wait what? So your breasts change according to your belief, but according to Debbie Hayton, your social status changes according to their size.

They're soo obsessed.

BettyBooper · 09/07/2025 17:16

JustFeedMeCake · 09/07/2025 17:06

It’s absolutely fucking disgusting. It is child abuse. Vile men are abusing babies and it’s being condoned ffs. Those who are not concerned about it, there’s something very wrong with you too.

There are so many red flags.

Why are none of these men in the least concerned about a visit from social services? This issue alone shows that their abusive behaviour is condoned by safeguarding institutions.

At this point, I wonder what they could possibly do before some 'allies' think, 'hang on, this is too far'.

I literally can't think of anything.

Waitwhat23 · 09/07/2025 17:18

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Mate, you're a one man peaking machine, honestly.

And grown (actual) women don't tend to call other grown (actual) women 'sillies'. That's your porn inspired mind at work.

Waitwhat23 · 09/07/2025 17:21

And there's a world of difference between male breasts and female breasts.

Otherwise, as pp's have said, why on earth have 'cis' men not been stepping up to the plate to share the load?

As someone who struggled to breast feed, I agree that the money and effort spent on getting males to produce chemically induced gunk from their ripples would be better spent on helping actual women to breastfeed.

Waitwhat23 · 09/07/2025 17:22

An easily understandable image

Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’
nutmeg7 · 09/07/2025 17:45

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You are SO SO ignorant about this whole topic.

Yet you come on a women’s forum full of people who have given birth and breastfed our children and expect us to listen to your BULLSHIT.

It would be hilarious if it wasn’t about USING A BABY TO AFFIRM YOUR “GENDER IDENTITY”.

Using a baby, it is disgusting.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/07/2025 17:47

Is anyone else reminded of the magical thinking stage of toddler / early childhood - Piaget's preoperational stage? When children often believe their thoughts, wishes, or actions can directly influence events in the real world? Because between 2 - 7 years old they engage in pretend play and take things literally. They're too young to understand abstract concepts or figurative language and use predominantly egocentric thinking.

As children develop, they move on from this and start to develop logical thinking and eventually able to reason, think abstractly and consider multiple perspectives. Sadly we're seeing considerable evidence of certain adults being stuck in that toddler / child level of magical thinking.

It does goes some way to explain the complete lack of understanding of the rights of others and absence of empathy but it's a worry if we're expecting people to function in a society when they apparently haven't acquired to tools to manage this

RobinHeartella · 09/07/2025 18:17

So funny hearing the phrase "magic sex essence" used to criticise GC stance because many TRAs seem to think synthetic hormones are magic sex essence. Take them, and you will grow a cervix and milk ducts, even your hip bones will change shape. Magic sex essence! You are now literally indistinguishable from "other women"!

RobinHeartella · 09/07/2025 18:20

I think I've even seen claimed that taking oestrogen will make a man's feet smaller.

I shouldn't mock, people are free to believe whatever bonkers stuff they like. But harming babies and new mothers crosses a line

TeaAndStrumpets · 09/07/2025 18:24

RobinHeartella · 09/07/2025 18:17

So funny hearing the phrase "magic sex essence" used to criticise GC stance because many TRAs seem to think synthetic hormones are magic sex essence. Take them, and you will grow a cervix and milk ducts, even your hip bones will change shape. Magic sex essence! You are now literally indistinguishable from "other women"!

This fits in so well with @MrsOvertonsWindow post above.

It is toddler logic and wishful thinking, which has been massively overindulged.

Waitwhat23 · 09/07/2025 18:58

It is toddler logic and wishful thinking, which has been massively overindulged.

Agree. This nonsense has been pandered to quite enough now. How men have found themselves entitled to tell (in all apparent seriousness) women, many of whom have breastfed, that their breasts are indistinguishable from men's and have the fucking gall to call us 'sillies' is beyond me.

The entire world should have been saying from the start 'no. That's absolute nonsense'.

JellySaurus · 10/07/2025 08:09

Why on earth was his comment deleted? How can arguments based on selfish arrogance and bullying nonsense be refuted if they are deleted? Or does sheer, foot-in-mouth idiocy break MN guidelines?

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