Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’

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Somewhat scraping the barrel with their arguments here. I have to admit that men who use hormones and drugs to induce "milk" to "feed" babies are not the person in this scenario that I'm worried about, the baby is.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/8a3f3784-e7b5-4d4e-bda4-fbb6128fd3b9?shareToken=0a544096c5296b8a5b6ebbafea2061d6

Here is the Paradox Institute's article on feeding male breast secretions

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding?rq=male%20breastfeeding

Jul 8, 2023
Written By Talia Nava

Today, we will analyze their prepared and cited argument to determine if transwomen breastfeeding is truly better than females breastfeeding. We’ll cover three categories:

1. Milk production volume
2. Adequate nutrition
3. Medication effects

The argument begins with two studies with the comment that "Two Peer-Reviewed case studies of induced lactation in trans women. Each case involved moderate quantities of milk production, and the childrens' health was observed to be developmentally appropriate."

This is the DM article that the women were commenting on, if I remember correctlly.

Here is another DM article, this time from Australia that is referenced in the article posted by the OP.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

https://archive.is/ekhDf

A transgender mother who was born male has described how 'breastfeeding' her baby an hour after her wife gave birth to the boy helped affirm her as a woman and she feels proud.

'Being a trans woman I can't carry, it's one of the limitations of it all,' Ms Buckley told Daily Mail Australia.

'To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed.'

The controversial practice has been criticised by specialists as experimental and unethical but Ms Buckley believed she had the right to breastfeed her infant.

The 41-year-old would never be able to carry her own baby but began medically transitioning into a woman in 2017 after years of feeling she was female.

Then

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

Ms Buckley said her endocrinologist had suggested she try to produce breast milk a couple of months before her wife gave birth.

Then

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

I look forward to any posters telling us that this male paramedic's experience has been all about the infant and totally infant 'focused'. Because they never seem to be able to.

Ig shared this article in February last year below. This discussion keeps coming up, the NHS is in a very bad way. If I remember correctly, didn't the BBC get a gender studies lecturer on to defend these male people? Not a medical doctor, not a midwife, a gender studies lecturer to defend this from the NHS.

Sharetoken for a Times article for those who don't believe anything in the DM:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e8011eab-bd4c-4d1f-9c1d-af25ecc9c61c?shareToken=4331bafef5242c8a7f16d9f3ddc6c03b

And didn't give a shit about transmen losing their breastfeeding and pregnancy rights

Sorry, adding more to this case

This endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.
Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

Then there is this. But I post with a warning that it could be rage inducing.

'Cow achievement', fucking hell

https://www.tiktok.com/@nominal.naomi/video/7235719967327456558

Yes, they did, and they allowed her to say that these men’s secretions were actually more nutritious than mothers’ breast milk 🤡 without any challenge.

Here’s their mealy mouthed response to complaints
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaint/thecontext19feb

And then there’s this delight about a 50-year old man ‘breastfeeding’ his grandchild ‘clumpy milk’.

x.com/fondofbeetles/status/1942529564250345946?s=46

The number of men actually attempting to breastfeed babies might be v small, but lactation fetish is fairly well recognised, isn't it? So it's not just about that specific act, it's about being around breastfeeding women, being allowed into groups that before were private spaces for women, being enabled to talk about it with the added bonus of being able to punish women who point out what's really going on by saying they are really the problem. I had a friend who was a nurse a long time ago who said she would quite often see women doing so called extended breastfeeding, knackered and worn out, the child school age, and she couldn't understand it until one of the female gp's told her it wasn't the child keeping it going, it was the husband. Lactation has it's own section on pornhub.

It makes me think of an article in the BBC this week about a man who had been taken to court for phoning 111 to talk to female call handlers about their feet. Involving unwilling women in the fetish is a common behaviour.

It seems we've gone from refusing to talk about it acknowledge this sort of male sexual behaviour, to being able to talk about it and say we don't like it, to men now openly displaying it and peddling the narrative that women are the problem.

And then this grudging second consideration which goes further and is less dismissive, after further challenge.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/the-context-bbc-news-channel-19-february-2024

Yes I read about that feet fetish man too on Facebook this morning! Agree.

We have seen in the past, posters who try to offensively leverage women with PCOS into the justification of why male people should be allowed to feed the secretions from their breasts to infants.

I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/16/2/244/649618?login=false

A woman with out PCOS

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)

4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 0.205 ng/ml or that could have been 2.56 ng/mol because the data is contradictory. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period because it was not tested.

HOWEVER that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time. Plus of course, there may have been an interaction with the other drugs.

Here is a doctor's view on this study and male feeding.

https://lascapigliata.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/

"On presentation, the patient was on a gender-affirming regimen that included spironolactone (a heart medication used in this case as an androgen blocker), estradiol, micronised progesterone and “occasional” clonazepam and zolpidem for panic disorder and insomnia."

"At initial appointment, the patient had gynaecomastia (abnormally enlarged breasts in a man, Tanner stage V) that was likely a side effect of spironolactone and cross-sex hormones he was taking."

"Interestingly, it’s unclear what was the patient’s serum testosterone level, because two markedly different results were given, one in the body of text – 256 ng/dL – and another in the results table 1. – 20.52 ng/dL."

"This is problematic not only because it constitutes a glaring inconsistency within the report, but also because the higher result indicates that the patient had male testosterone levels. Considering that the study reported no further testosterone data, indicating that they didn’t measure his testosterone level at any other point in the study, and that
75% of trans-identified men on spironolactone fail to reach testosterone level in the female range, and those who augment the treatment with estradiol have variable response, there is no reliable evidence that adequate androgen blockade was achieved, even though authors claimed that androgen blockade was an important part of the regimen."
And it goes on.....

and this is a second post in lascapigliata from Bowen, an MD and author.
Both are worth reading, course.

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

That was a real eye opener for just how far the BBC would go to support misinformation. They keep saying they aim for balance, but there was no balance in that segment.

Every mother who has expressed BM knows that it's quite watery, more watery than semi skimmed cows' milk for example.

When a man is secreting something "clumpy" it is not milk. It is pus.

The BBC plays it down in their response but here’s a direct quote in a Christian news article (my bold)

In February, a letter emerged from the University Hospitals Sussex NHS Foundation Trust defending the practice of using drugs to induce lactation and enable men who identify as women to feed babies.
Prompted by the letter’s contents, BBC News interviewed Kate Luxion – described by the presenter as “a research fellow in creative global health at the University College, London [sic] and a lactation consultant trainee”.
During the interview, the LGBT activist claimed ‘men’s milk’ is at least as good “if not higher quality” than a mother’s breast milk, arguing that scientific evidence supported her claim.

https://www.christian.org.uk/news/bbc-misleads-viewers-on-fitness-of-mens-milk-for-babies/

Thanks Stormy

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley

27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.
Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:
https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=200

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.
**

Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day.

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

Plus this male person was given

metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily.

So, there seems to be something going on here with this 'case'. How come this male person was permitted to feed an infant while on this drug when women are told to avoid it when breastfeeding..... it really doesn't seem that the endocrinologist put this infant first at all.

https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/metoclopramide-hydrochloride/

Everyone who says that male pus is "untested" or needs to be tested to see if it's as safe or nutritious as breastmilk... I mean, come on guys. You just need to look at it, it's closer to snot than breastmilk! I was faced with a photo on twitter a while back that someone shared from a tw's account and I literally gagged.

I'll probably get deleted for saying so but it's just true. Breastmilk is nothing like that

This is child abuse by predatory men. Nothing else. Time for some arrests and court appearances for them.

Just adding this because it seems relevant to this discussion.

Further proof that there is lactation fetishists out there.

Page 46 of the WPATH leaked files report.

'In fact, within all the files, the sole instance where WPATH members express concern regarding the potential dangers and adverse effects of a medical procedure is found in a conversation involving a trans-identified natal male interested in hormone-induced lactation purely for the sake of experiencing it, with no intention of nursing an infant. From the information given, the patient appears to be otherwise mentally well, but his doctor described having ethical issues with this request, as it was not without some risk.'

'The replies echoed the doctor’s concerns, with one doctor calling the request unethical because it was a “medical intervention that is not necessary” and a San Francisco ethicist calling the reason for the intervention “questionable.”'

At least some medical professionals are recognising that there is 'some risk' involved with this treatment which is in NO way life saving and purely about satisfying a male's demand.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf

Another recent case study.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13006-024-00624-1

Case presentation

In this case a 37-year-old transgender woman, who was under the care of the centre of expertise on gender dysphoria in Amsterdam, and in 2020 started lactation induction because she had the wish to breastfeed her future infant. She was in a relationship with a cisgender woman and had been using gender affirming hormone therapy for 13 years. Prior to initiating gender affirming hormone therapy she had cryopreserved her semen. Her partner conceived through Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection, using our patient’s cryopreserved sperm.

To induce lactation, we implemented a hormone-regimen to mimic pregnancy, using estradiol and progesterone, and a galactogogue; domperidone. Our patient started pumping during treatment. Dosage of progesterone and estradiol were significantly decreased approximately one month before childbirth to mimic delivery and pumping was increased. Our patient started lactating and although the production of milk was low, it was sufficient for supplementary feeding and a positive experience for our patient.

Two weeks after birth, lactation induction was discontinued due to suckling problems of the infant and low milk production.

Conclusions

This case report underlined that lactation induction protocols commonly used for cisgender women are also effective in transgender women. However, the amount of milk produced may not be sufficient for exclusive nursing.

Nevertheless, success of induced lactation may be attributed to its importance for parent-infant bonding, rather than the possibility of exclusive chestfeeding.

Sorry OP, I am just collecting all the links I have so others who have not read them can get the information. It really defies reason that anyone can continue to support male people in this endeavour.

Bosky posted this and it is excellent to get some of these links in one place.

This article by Children of Transitioners is shocking! NHS Safeguarding is deliberately ignoring information that COT has brought to its attention. This needs to be raised in Parliament.

COT wrote to NHS Safeguarding nine months ago about the NHS promoting and enabling sexual and physical abuse of babies and psychological abuse of older children of transitioners and have still not had a reply!

Safeguarding Concerns in the NHS

22 Feb 2024

Many readers have seen Children of Transitioners’ letter from Sussex NHS Trust (thanks for your help Lottie/ Biology Matters project) link here.

Policy Exchange Biology Matters COTS Letter

Many press reports focus on the male secretion content rather than the ethics of unnecessary experiments with unlicensed drugs on babies or the use of infants in sexual paraphilias such as lactation fetish. There is no understanding that children with a parent who is trans should be safeguarded as other children are. The conflicts between the NHS LGBT/Stonewall rainbow badge scheme requirements and the rights and safeguarding of children of transitioners were apparently not noticed by NHS safeguarding staff before the scheme was heavily funded.

Since May 2023, we have been waiting for NHS England’s safeguarding team to respond to the safeguarding concerns and regulatory, legal, human rights and ethical failures we raised. We are therefore releasing this email so everyone can access our concerns.

See full article to read email to NHS Safeguarding - it contains terms and information that would probably get this post deleted:

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/02/22/safeguarding-concerns-in-the-nhs/
Archived: https://archive.ph/EyFQO

WRN has also put out a statement:

NO TO MALE "BREASTFEEDING

A Statement addressing attempts to normalise male 'breastfeeding'

Recent claims from the Medical Director of University Hospitals Sussex NHS Trust that 'human milk' produced following 'induced lactation' as 'ideal for infants' is scientifically unproven and constitutes a dangerous escalation in the 'gender' and 'inclusion' narrative.

WRN strongly condemns the latest attempts to normalise the notion that males can sustainably produce the nutritional requirements of an infant. They cannot do so and should not be encouraged to try.

Breastfeeding is a complex biological process. A mother's milk adapts to the changing needs of her baby, providing essential nutrients and antibodies tailored to support the infant's growth and development. Colostrum is particularly important in preparing a baby’s gut for life outside the womb. Males do not possess the necessary physiological mechanisms to replicate this process.

Breastfeeding operates on a supply-and-demand basis. A baby's suckling stimulates milk production in the mother. Allowing a male to put a baby to his nipple can disrupt this delicate balance, affecting the mother's milk supply and compromising the infant's nutritional intake.

There exists a disturbing trend among male trans activists who openly use breastfeeding and breast milk fetishism for sexual gratification. This is the most dangerous aspect of a culture that seeks to affirm and validate identities rather than maintaining a sharp focus on the risks to the health and welfare of the baby and the mother. Greater effort should go towards providing support for women who want to breastfeed.

It is the responsibility of all media outlets to do due diligence and report only the facts on this topic, and to use clear language that does not obscure the sex of those being reported. There is insufficient evidence to support male breastfeeding and no research on the effects on the infant.

NHS Trusts have a duty of care to ensure that all published information and reference sources on induced lactation are based on rigorous scientific evidence and priority must be placed on the well-being of the baby.

We appeal to Victoria Atkins MP as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to intervene, and insist that the NHS provides ethical, factual guidance based on evidence from accepted research.

https://www.womensrights.network/breastfeeding-statement

Archived: https://archive.ph/1tsCY

As if to demonstrate how depraved this whole scenario is, Pink News celebrates a man who has an OnlyFans account so other man can pay to watch him "breastfeeding":

Archived to avoid giving clicks to PN:

Yes, trans women can breastfeed too. Here’s why it’s safe, healthy and good for both mum and baby

Feb 19 2024

https://archive.is/JkniV

Which led to Milli Hill's answering peice

https://millihill.substack.com/p/dear-bbc-youve-got-your-facts-wrong

As I have said before regarding anyone who contributes to, facilitates or participates in any male abusing an infant by forcing it to suckle and ingest secretions from a male nipple… How many of these evil people would be happy to drink the “milk” from a bull that had been medicated and drugged so much that it leaked pus? After all, they reckon it is milk, and just as good as a Mother’s breast milk for the baby, so they can have bull juices. 🤢🤢🤮🤢

If you remove the baby from the equation, there's no way for a doctor to justify using the medication in this way. (I'm pretty sure we all agree that the baby doesn't justify it either).