Trans charity launches defence of men ‘who can breastfeed’

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Somewhat scraping the barrel with their arguments here. I have to admit that men who use hormones and drugs to induce "milk" to "feed" babies are not the person in this scenario that I'm worried about, the baby is.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/8a3f3784-e7b5-4d4e-bda4-fbb6128fd3b9?shareToken=0a544096c5296b8a5b6ebbafea2061d6

I think the magic sex part of the comment has to go into the humiliating own goal classics list though.

“I know you lot are sooo desperate to hold onto your 'magic sex essence' beliefs”

Like, sorry BeeS, the only people believing in magic sex essence would be those getting magic cross sex hormones and magic cross sex surgeries.

I reckon BeeS got the post deleted when this was pointed out.

The rest of the post’s misinformation was on par. How many male posters, some only supposedly allies and not trans themselves, have posted the same misinformation. That male breasts and female breasts are the same. And that the substance is just the same. And the hormones are just identical. Why are we women so hateful to gatekeep this act of sublime power of a baby. And around it goes.

But that ‘magic sex essence’ quote was a classic.

Jelly,

I think MNHQ are getting an idea of that pattern you refer to. If people are reporting his posts it is likely that the mods are identifying the pattern and the posts don’t have to stay. I did not report him but I assume that is what is happening. Maybe he will start to engage properly. Who knows.

So these are genetic men, with genetic men penises, impregnating genetic women? Sounds like same old, same old but with a bit of lippy to me.

Don’t forget that the handy term “post op” when it comes to female identifying men can cover a whole load of procedures from plastic breasts to chin feminisation and reduction of the Adam’s apple, and the vast majority of those procedures will not venture below the waist, because let’s face it, if you are a man, even if you are a man who thinks he is a woman you a) don’t want to lose your pride and joy and b) will want to keep your options open.

Their 'not in the spirit' rule covers a multitude of things.

And I imagine bullying women on a predominantly women's site, by referring to breastfeeding as magical sex essences that women should not be holding onto, advocating for men abusing babies by trying to feed them 'clumpy milk', and saying there's no difference between men's chests and women's breasts falls into that.

HQ are grown-ups, and they regularly host threads and articles dedicated to supporting and discussing breastfeeding, including campaigns. Because of their core demographic.

There's only so long that they will accept men coming on here expressly trying to bully women about female issues.

I agree that keeping awful posts helps with lurkers, but this person's nasty comments are so numerous that ship's probably sailed. HMS Totally Peaked is probably a dot in the distance by now.

I agree. But I'm sympathetic to those who don't have the strong stomach to engage on this topic and are sent reeling by the shock to hit the report button.

It's ironic. We used to complain about our posts getting deleted. Now we are complaining when males are having their posts deleted!

We also used to copy and paste posts more so even if a post was deleted, there would be a record. I try to remember to do this even now, but often get too lazy.

Doing the cut and paste gives readers an indication of the contents of the deleted post.

Remember when there was a deletion message for when we would be deleted for even quoting a deleted post. It was bonkers as threads looked like Swiss cheese.

I think it shows we really want to have an honest and transparent discussion though.

Those type of difficult conversations in life are the most important too. The stuff no one wants to talk about.

It’s as if a baby is a “resource” that we are “gatekeeping” or preventing access to because we are big selfish meanies. Not because the baby’s needs should be centred at all times.

A baby is the most vulnerable human being there is.

Not a resource to be used to support the actions of narcissist transwomen in their life goals. Not a LARP prop.

This is SO wrong.

I believe it's the latest addition to the "essence" range.
A follow-up to the original "woman essence" that was on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5088498-adult-human-female-postbox-topper-against-the-spirit-of-postbox-toppers?reply=135787240

I suspect that these male posters have little knowledge about infant needs. If they have children, I doubt they paid much attention to the specifics and may have been just top line. But I would think too often, there is no experience at all.

Either way, it is a signal that they cannot comprehend what an infant needs. And they don’t care either.

It’s hot today and I’ve been out in my garden. I appear to be dripping my magic sex essence like it’s going out of style, just wondering if I should be collecting it in a little bottle, and if so would it be better to market it as my own unique to vique essence or contribute it to a collective to be marketed as Essence of Woman.

J'adore.

unique to vique

definitely!

Gillian Bowditch comment in the Scotland section of the Sunday Times today:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/6d9dbb00-47e9-49a3-8383-9d768347abb8?shareToken=756fa1ef945b3a238f9acf06af42d911

Good article, thanks for sharing.

The article is interesting and also at present (it may get amended) it is yet another example of how the language used by TRAs has confused everyone else- the writer uses 'trans men' to mean biological men who say they are women, but TRAs use it to mean women and lots of people get confused. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

The government really needs to get a grip on trans charities they are funding and listening to. CSA is against the law- using babies in male sexual fetishes, which this is (lactophilia) is illegal. The previous Health Secretary said any NHS staff involved in trans stuff can only give 'evidence based' care or the full range of options would be used against them . (When Children of Transitioners released a letter from a senior NHS manager supporting this practice Victoria Atkins was reportedly furious and the member of staff was referred to the GMC and the NHS CEO was involved - don't know what happened then but the staff member disappeared from her NHS Trust employer's website). But NHS England is in conflict between trans activists at senior levels and evidence based care for children.

But the regulator would step in if NHS staff were enabling this I think- it's not only child abuse but also in breach of all medical ethics, no research programme would get permission as it's unnecessarily risky for babies (mothers with real baby milk and safe formula without harmful drugs in it is available!) and abuse of babies, and any NHS staff involved would face getting struck off / arrested for enabling not just CSA but also using babies unnecessarily to ingest dangerous drugs to validate a man's sexual fantasies of himself as a women.

That's before you get to the fact the UK is a signatory to the UN Rights of the Child , which emphasises the welfare of the child comes before the parent's trans fantasies. (This was already upheld in the UK Supreme Court when it banned mother Freddie McConnell's demand to be listed as father/ lie to her child she was a man- the court said it was emotional abuse of her child, detrimental to the child's welfare).

The adults left in government (there are some, even in the Labour party)and the NHS need to sack the extremists that want men to be able to abuse infants through paedophilic paraphilias, emotional cruelty and drug abuse. And get the police in to check the hard drives of those supporting it.

Well said. Until there's some level of enforcement against the adults pushing this dangerous fetish in the NHS, this will continue.
I'm cautiously hopeful that all the changes in the NHS will lead to some of these "irrelevant to patient outcomes" posts being deleted along with the evidence from Cass leading the fervent trans extremists losing much of their power.

Fingers crossed.

Have checked online and think the Dr that supported male chestfeeding still works for the same hospital. The Trust's eventual public FOI response stated their breastfeeding guidance was only ever meant for men, not women and is available on the Cots website:
childrenoftransitioners.org/the-la-leche-loophole/

oops said their NHS breastfeeding guidancewas always for women not men (TRA language so confusing!) ie Trans men- women who say they are men- may be helped to breastfeed.

If men 'breastfeeding' get legal protection, it'll theoretically to all men. They just need a brass neck and a plausible baby. It could be a minefield for employers.