How does it even affect you? Just be kind.

[Shedmistress]

We all get this endlessly from every angle. Why do you care?
Why can't you just let this vulnerable group quietly get on with their lives?
It's just a tiny minority so go do something better with your day...

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread of 'ways it affects other people' and the effects of losing all logic, reason, sense of reality, and how health, safety and welfare are thrown out of the window the moment the word 'trans' is mentioned.

Please feel free to add your own with a link to what you are talking about. Especially documents relating to policy and processes that are wide open to abuse.

By they I don't mean 'trans' people I mean anyone. Because anyone can be 'trans' by just saying 'I'm trans'.

There are some absolute whoppers on this thread.

For example nobody except @TruthOrAlethiometer wrote "99.99% of DBS checks with a name change are apparently from trans people."

Absolute donkeys like @TruthOrAlethiometer are making this shit up.

Yet, people are meant to take their opinions seriously.

Isn't is an excellent summary - especially this?
"The actual victims in this mess have been women and children, especially the most vulnerable, gay people who've resisted the movement and paid a horrible price, and regular people working in environments where one misplaced pronoun could see you vilified or constructively dismissed. Do not tell me this is about a tiny minority. This movement has impacted society in disastrous ways, and if you had any sense, you'd be quietly deleting every trace of activist mantras, ad hominem attacks, false equivalence and circular arguments from your X feeds, because the day is fast approaching when you'll want to pretend you always saw through the craziness and never believed it for a second".

It's so interesting to see in real life the impact that the sacred caste have - even on here with posters frantically derailing until women bow the knee and agree to their interpretation of things.

Be kind only ever goes one way - and it never includes women seeking to safeguard children and the vulnerable.

No one can legally leave their past names off. No one.

Anyone doing that is committing fraud and anyone can commit fraud, you don’t need to be trans and trans guidelines do not allow for fraud.

Any person filling in the DBS will be asked for ALL PREVIOUS NAMES. Every single person, trans or not.

Trans people can then call up, if they want to, and ask for their old name to be redacted. This does not remove their name from
the check. All their names are checked for criminal history and then all of that history will be shown. Just their old name will be redacted.

They do not have to call that number. They don’t have to ask for their name to be redacted if they don’t want to. It will make no difference at all to the criminal record check that is carried out.

You are wrong. There is no legal route for a trans person to leave their name off.

Some employers also need to know the birth sex of their employees.

You can’t get a new birth certificate with your new name on it you change it by deed poll though. But I suppose you know that.

And you have pointed out what you believe is misinformation countless times.
We get it.
Tbe OP doesn't agree with you and you beating on about it clearly isn't going to change her mind.
Move on.

Every transwoman who has stepped foot in a female space is a villain.

Dangerous untruth you say.....what like the lie that men are women?

I’ve seen it far too often on here that conversations, which are very important, are littered with misinformation and out and out lies, like someone claiming that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people, are just left to stand.
Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the villains. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

The only person who claimed that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people was you.

Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the innocents you claim they are. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

I don’t believe men are women. Never have. I’ve written to my MP about men in women’s spaces, no matter what they call themselves. I don’t like the lies the transactivists tell and I challenge them just as often.

But I won’t accept lies on our side either. It doesn’t help because it makes every real argument look like we’re telling another lie.

It is not a matter of opinion. This isn’t, “is purple a nice colour?”
It’s fact. The OP has misunderstood something she read but is so stubborn she won’t be educated out of it. It’s not opinion; it’s how DBS checks work and she is just wrong. No two ways about it, no difference of opinion. She is just wrong and if she goes around saying that trans people have permission to leave their old name off and hide a criminal record then it harms everything else that gets said. Because then no one can trust any of it.

Exactly! If my TW friend and I both had to show our BC for some reason, 'hers' would show that her name is Sarah Smith and always has been and that "she's" female.

Mine would show that my name is Karen Jones, which won't be the name on any of my other paperwork as I changed it by deed poll to Karen Carpenter. I'd also have to show my deed poll.

So if this were for the purposes of a DBS I couldn't pretend that I'd never changed my name. But Sarah could.

Not real names obv.

Do you think that trans people have been told they can legally leave their old name off a DBS application and therefore hide a criminal past? Legally hide it form being checked?

Except that most married women have nothing to hide. Any trans woman with something to hide has a solution provided by the state - a brand new identity with no connection to the old one.

This IS significantly different from everyone else. All these other fraudsters you mention are having to diy a new ID. They could easily make a mistake.

I have adopted daughters. You would not believe how suddenly the DWP for example drops their old birth name in. Utterly inexplicable. Shouldn't happen etc. But it does because the old and new names are connected.

Only trans people can get the entirely new ID legally with no chance of a cock up by a gov dep.

What does that mean? Please can we clarify

When male transexuals apply for a DBS certificate how many will have changed their name from their old male name to a more fluffy feminine name? In my experience it's 100% but as that is just anecdotal perhaps you can provide a more accurate figure.

It seems only you disagrees with the OP others have posted their support of the OP.

As I said you have made your stance very clear multiple times and it seems that you cannot brow beat the OP in to changing what she said so move on.

The whole point of the DBS sensitivity helpline is to help trans people remove details of their true sex, regardlessof GRC status. They can remove details of gender specific crimes, and use new name on past conviction.

This obviously is dangerous if the person passes, but equally, even in the person doesn't, it gives the imppression that they have transitioned longer than they have. Which might influence how people treat them.

No, other people posted actual issues which were driven by the OP, but not actually do with with what OP claimed.
Especially around them being given a new birth certificate. I fully agree with all of that. Those are real issues. But that’s not what I was arguing about.

I’m not saying trans identify change isn’t a problem. Lots of people posted a lot of stuff showing different things… there’s even issues with them getting new credit ratings which hasn’t been mentioned yet. There are a lot of issues.

Not one person has agreed with OP that trans people have a legal right to leave their old names off… because they don’t.

I’ve explained the the OP over and over what the guidance means and what the hotline is for (it is optional and nothing to do with the actual form or the criminal record check; it’s literally just the name shown on the certificate at the end). But she keeps doubling down on her misunderstanding.

I’d have stopped posting if she understood.

And at that point I will post that @TruthOrAlethiometer is right (obviously) and the OP is wrong about this. I also think it’s important that misunderstandings and/or plain lies aren’t left unchallenged.

Leaving aside the apparently endless determination to disagree with something the OP said, I've noted the fact that the DBS has a parallel 'sensitive application' route for transgender applicants; this illustrates my point about the disproportionate influence that such a tiny percentage of the population exerts on society.

Why does a small social have such power that they can be treated differently from the 'common or garden' applicant for a DBS cert, have a dedicated route through the process, and be given 'the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.'?

'Why?' is one of the most basic challenges to pretty much any of the TRAs demands:
you must use my chosen pronouns - why?
I should be allowed used the women's facilities even though I'm a biological male - why?
Trans people are vulnerable - why?
Lesbians are transphobic if they won't have sex with trans-identifying males - why?
Biological males should be allowed take part in women's sports - why?

and so on... not an aggressive 'why', just a reasonable request for a reasonable answer which doesn't rely on 'just be kind' or 'because we say so' .

I can’t find it online now and can barely remember the details, but wasn’t there a woman who changed her name when she fled domestic abuse and she used the sensitive application team to have her old name left off her DBS?

I cannot remember if she was successful or if it was a legal challenge or just someone talking about whether it was possible. But I’d be interested to know if the sensitive applications can be used by someone for reasons other than trans.

I have made no claims about whether or not transexuals might fraudulently apply for a DBS certificate so your questions are misguided. However upthread you twisted my words into lies. I corrected you but for some reason you won't acknowledge that you posted lies. Here is your opportunity.

And the OP has explained countless times what she meant by that and others have posted that they understood what she meant yet here you are fucking up a thread with other contributions because you cannot move on from tbe fact that the OP is not going to conceed to you.

Yes misinformation needs to be challenged and you have done that countless times. The OP is not going to agree either you so for the love of God move on.

As I have said before, and no doubt will say again, the UK should use an individual identifier like the PPSN in Ireland, that is used for all interactions with the state and that is not changed if a person changes their registered gender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Public_Service_Number

The fact that it doesn't, and any complications that causes, is a fault in the planning of public service provision and record keeping.

Public service provision and planning for same are important. The record keeping associated with it should make it possible to protect eg women's sex-based rights, including rights to sex-appropriate health care. It cannot do that if the category 'women' in the records that are collected includes men. That is a primary way that genderism damages all women and all men.

Can they remove details of gender specific crimes? I know Unlock were trying to do a legal challenge to that because they can’t. DBS can’t alter the information about a crime as the data isn’t theirs, they get it from the police national database. When the police were asked to alter the crimes, they refused as they said their records are a matter of historical accuracy. I thought there was a legal challenge coming up around that, to alter gender specific crimes but as far as I know, they can’t at the moment. They can only redact their old name.