How does it even affect you? Just be kind.

[Shedmistress]

We all get this endlessly from every angle. Why do you care?
Why can't you just let this vulnerable group quietly get on with their lives?
It's just a tiny minority so go do something better with your day...

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread of 'ways it affects other people' and the effects of losing all logic, reason, sense of reality, and how health, safety and welfare are thrown out of the window the moment the word 'trans' is mentioned.

Please feel free to add your own with a link to what you are talking about. Especially documents relating to policy and processes that are wide open to abuse.

I reckon that this will be the way to try to justify this post.

Hence I asked if it was supposed to be feminists doing and saying this. Because otherwise it is just another way to blame feminists for the actions of others.

Just another fallacious argument put forward by some male people who cannot accept that no male person is a female person, or woman or girl.

I agree with you however ots the same process if you get married and change your name. The DBs form asks you for previous names. And you have to sign that the information is true. It's on you to state the previous names you have had but if you don't there isn't a trace ... Huge flaw in the system

Agree the DBS system is flawed. But it seems to be extra flawed where someone transitions.

As for the clever maiden name/dead name equivalence, well it will convince some people.

snorts

Bit close to the truth for you, was it?

I'll rephrase.

Saying that women fighting to keep their legal rights to single sex services as detailed in the EQA2010 are the ones doing bomb threats, setting people on fire etc is a work of fiction

Here's a wee list of just the WPUK meetings which have been disrupted by TRA's (including bomb threats) -

https://womansplaceuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/A-record-of-the-meetings-organised-by-WPUK.pdf

If MP's are listening to outright lies from lobbying TRA's, then it explains a lot of the current footstampy situation.

Yes, a particular highlight of TRAs harassing women was when they let off smoke bombs outside a GC Labour members meeting next to Grenfell Tower, a year or so after it happened.

Be kind though!

Or when the Adult Human Female film showings at the University of Edinburgh was cancelled twice and when it did go ahead, attendees were spat at, kettled and prevented from entering by TRA's who used their bodies to block entry to the building. Afterwards, random women who happened to be in the vicinity (city centre Edinburgh) were the subject of shouted abuse from TRA's who assumed they had attended the film showing.

Here's a image which sums it up. It's essentially a montage of the actions of TRA's at various events.

I really like de Grunwald perspective on TR activism - that what ever you think about the merits of its aims, its activists exhibit a shocking lack of professionalism, good judgement and basic tact.

She's good isn't she? I've been listening to her podcasts as she sheds a light on the unprofessional and damaging aspects of Pride and trans ideology in the work place.
Here's a link to them - lots to choose from. The one with Helen Joyce I thought was particularly good:

thisisntworkingpodcast.co.uk/

Gosh. Its awful that GC people have done all of this.

You've got proof I assume as I've never seen it, which is worrying as it implies some kind of cover up by the media.

I think by now we can confidently say that you've failed the Turing test - no matter what I say, you say some variant of

It doesn’t allow them to hide their crimes though. Not at all. Which is what OP has alleged <click>It doesn’t allow them to hide their crimes though. Not at all. Which is what OP has alleged.<click>It doesn’t allow them to hide....

Like when you mentioned the possibility that a woman had used the special trans application process because she was in danger, and I pointed out that even if one women did, my issue is with the existence of a whole parallel system specifically designated for a tiny percentage of the population, and I quoted from the DBS website
Guidance
Transgender applications
Guidance and information regarding the sensitive applications route for transgender applicants.
Transgender applications - GOV.UK

Your reply?
It doesn’t allow them to hide their crimes though. Not at all. Which is what OP has alleged <click>It doesn’t allow them to hide their crimes though. Not at all. Which is what OP has alleged.<click>It doesn’t allow them to hide....

You can't get past that, can you?

How does it affect me? Just be kind when your brother is told in therapy that he is not gay, he is a woman. Who now has to dilate twice a day. And still has all of the mental health problems (and more) he had before he attended therapy sessions led by a specialist in gender issues.

He was a vulnerable patient who was manipulated to "transition". But sure, let's be kind.

I'm so sorry, SisterofMCW , this must be heartbreaking

There's nothing adequate to say, SisterofMCW. 🌹

Yes you can change your name but on a DBS you 'have' to disclose other names you have been known as.

This vile ideology has broken so many people, so sorry @SisterofMCW

So sorry @SisterofMCW

I would add "siblings and close family" as well as parents to the first two of Stella and Tanya's categories. And I could add a fifth category, which I guess I'd include myself in, of

Close family members of vulnerable people who believe that their loved ones have been wrongly advised by to transition or that transition has significantly added to their loved one's mental and physical health problems.

How does it even affect you?

I was using a ladies public toilet. I saw someone and thought "that's a man in a dress" but the be kind, be inclusive thing kicked in, so I didn't say anything.

Then he sexually assaulted me.

@YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan I am so sorry

It's not kind to take these particular sex-based boundaries down. Most of the time we don't need sex-based boundaries at all but when we need them we need them to be truly sex-based not gender identity. The Supreme Court got that right. Usually there can be unisex alternatives as well, and taken together we get to protect everyone. Which is kind.

for all those sharing their experiences.

It affects me at a simple level if any resources allocated for 'women' are now being split over a larger number of people. This can be money, space, time, attention.

It affects anyone who is only able (because of culture, experience) to use facilities if they can be confident that single sex means exactly that. Without that confidence, they are excluded even if in fact the facility is normally single sex.

You're gaslighting and DARVOing. It is the trans activists who threaten to rape and bash and murder GC feminists, who say we should be raped til our uterus ruptures, we should be skinned alive, burned alive, die in a grease fire etc. You TRAs are so vile and vicious with your hate you can't help but react to every woman and threaten them then play the victim.

Women are not the ones giving rape threats, death threats and urinating on feminist statues. Your mob are. Own it. That's what you are.

DARVOing is currently a big thing for trans posters, I'm keeping a list of examples of things that have been said on here to critique trans ideology being mirrored back - without any explanation or justification of course.

Some quick examples - 'cognitive dissonance' 'the law as it is and not as you want it to be' 'you have been lied to' 'trans people are just a tiny percentage of the population'

These words and phrases have frequently been used by GC feminists in discussing trans ideology, and all of them have recently been 'mirrored' back by trans posters.

Of course, words are empty if there is no factual context to back them up, so what they are doing is very obvious and it just looks silly - it reminds me of a fractious, over-tired 5 year old shouting back 'No it's past YOUR bedtime so YOU put your pyjamas on and go to bed!'

It's interesting to see that not just words but actions being 'mirrored' - violent acts which have been perpetrated AGAINST GC women being reversed as perpetrated BY GC women.

Once you're aware of the 'mirroring', you'll spot it when it's used.

Yes, it’s very evident. It’s almost as if they have very limited thought processes and vocabularies and no actual ideas of their own that aren’t dependent on some slogan or thought-terminating cliché. So they magpie anything that comes their way.
I’ve been intrigued by their hilarious misuse of ‘cognitive dissonance’ and ‘critical thinking’.