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AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:33

zanahoria · 15/06/2025 09:09

Smith said: “I wish we could stop talking about toilets all the time, because that wasn’t really the reason we went to court. We went to court about the prisons, about the rape crisis centres, about the hospitals, where people are uniquely vulnerable.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/14/campaigners-scottish-government-supreme-court-gender-women

Yes but by making it about the toilets we can keep focus on the already privileged men and deflect from the real issues can't we.

I think we should stop engaging in talk about toilets tbh. I understand why they're important but it's not the only important thing in all this is it?

When I wrote to my MP about the ruling recently I spoke about representation on boards, all women shortlists and women's participation in public life specifically for this reason.

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 09:35

I couldn’t read it all, the writing is so bad it lurches from bad phrase to the next.

Also doubt this happened, what’s the name of the place that has someone paid to do this.

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:35

Given the pronouns in the linked article, my impression is that he identifies as non-binary, and he sometimes wears a dress and make up.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/06/2025 09:35

An archive link

https://archive.ph/FzsXC

As pp have posted if his fiction is written as poorly as that article I hope he has another source of income.

BellissimoGecko · 15/06/2025 09:38

What a load of self-pitying drivel. Is it even true?

’trans people have been kicked off sports teams’ - do you mean that men are no longer allowed to compete in women’s sports, but they are perfectly free to compete against other men? But that doesn’t sound as terrible, does it?! 🙄🙄🙄

Zippp · 15/06/2025 09:38

“She was a stocky woman..,’no’, she commanded”

The battleaxe trope. Of course.

(Although I am perplexed by the idea of official toilet policing, as I have been using the ladies decades and never seen this. And actually wouldn’t want to.)

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 09:39

zanahoria · 15/06/2025 09:09

Smith said: “I wish we could stop talking about toilets all the time, because that wasn’t really the reason we went to court. We went to court about the prisons, about the rape crisis centres, about the hospitals, where people are uniquely vulnerable.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/14/campaigners-scottish-government-supreme-court-gender-women

I understand she is frustrated. However, I think that because toilets are the thing that everyone uses so we can all relate to using them, yet it is the scenario that there is least support for single sex provision for, that is where the discussion goes.

Because very few people will disagree with refuges and prisons. A few more will disagree on changing rooms. But toilets will find women constantly saying ‘well my lovely trans friend is no threat’ or saying they don’t care. Hence the discussion.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/06/2025 09:40

Sounds like a load of BS has been scattered about in that story. The venue paid someone to police toilets? As if.

DrJump · 15/06/2025 09:40

One time I went to a gig in Australia. The ladies line was long. I used the gents. I got caught and told off by the security guard. Can I have an article in the guardian please.

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/06/2025 09:41

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

Ah yes, speculative fiction, and this badly written piece is definitely speculative fiction. And, presumably, trans Australian = not Australian.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 09:44

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/06/2025 09:41

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

Ah yes, speculative fiction, and this badly written piece is definitely speculative fiction. And, presumably, trans Australian = not Australian.

Wtf is 'speculative fiction'?

More made up grifting bollocks???

Bigearringsbigsmile · 15/06/2025 09:45

If it actually happened, then good because Jack is blatantly a man! Men hsve no place in women's dpaces

AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:46

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 09:44

Wtf is 'speculative fiction'?

More made up grifting bollocks???

Something Margaret Atwood made up so she could be more special than Phillip K Dick

AnnaMagnani · 15/06/2025 09:47

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LizzieSiddal · 15/06/2025 09:48

I really wish they’d allow comments on articles like this. I’m not sure they’d go in Jacks favour, however it is the Guardian.Hmm

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 15/06/2025 09:49

LizzieSiddal · 15/06/2025 09:10

So Jack is upset because when he puts on a dress he isn’t allowed into the Ladies.

Fuck off Jack.

Couldn’t agree more

KnottyAuty · 15/06/2025 09:50

FuriousAndFrustrated · 15/06/2025 09:12

I read that last night and somehow I just don't believe it happened. I certainly don't believe the bit about strangers clamouring in his defence!

At the bottom of the article Jack is described as a “speculative fiction writer”.

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 09:58

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

Eddie Izzard?

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 09:59

AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:46

Something Margaret Atwood made up so she could be more special than Phillip K Dick

And turns 'bouncer tells bloke not to use the womens toilet' into drivel the guardian will publish.

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 10:00

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 09:59

And turns 'bouncer tells bloke not to use the womens toilet' into drivel the guardian will publish.

So it’s made up? The Guardian is responsible here for going for such nonsense.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/06/2025 10:02

OldCrone · 15/06/2025 09:07

Ridiculous, isn't it? It's an accepting space. Nobody's going to beat him up if he goes in the men's loos.

I think this is Jack. Long-haired bloke with earrings.

The Wheeler Centre - Jack Nicholls

Ooh, look at that duper’s delight smile

it’s definitely a thing. I’ve seen it time and time again on these men

SunnieShine · 15/06/2025 10:03

zanahoria · 15/06/2025 08:53

So is this an actual Australian or someone identifying as one?

Where's the "laugh" emoji when you need it? 😂

lcakethereforeIam · 15/06/2025 10:03

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 09:58

Eddie Izzard?

I want the laugh emoji back!😥

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 15/06/2025 10:03

And there she was. The literal toilet police. She was a stocky woman marking each visitor as they approached the door and, as we passed, she raised a finger of doom and pointed it at me. “NO,” she commanded, then rotated the finger towards the masculine pictogram.

Really? Really?. Since when does any venue have an actual person outside the toilets making sure everyone goes to the right one. I've not seen that in the twenty years I've lived in the UK.
I can maybe believe he was challenged but the whole thing reads like fantasy.