The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet

[Justme56]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/15/trans-australian-uk-britain-tolerance

https://www.wheelercentre.com/people/jack-nicholls

The person’s sex seems obvious although they seem to consider the idea of ‘presenting as feminine’ is enough!

This is it exactly

Perhaps tomorrow the Guardian will publish an article or comment about someone in a dress who parked unlawfully and got a ticket but feels that was unwelcoming?

Stocky woman…of course. Her appearance is very relevant 🤦‍♀️

This is so obviously a work of fiction. Especially the poor bouncer kindly touching his arm and saying 'it's just the way things are now' 🤢😂 I mean come on.

Anyway. Get your cock out in the gents for your piss, Jack. Cry harder about it.

Well it's entirely possible a female bouncer told this obviously male person not to use the womens toilets.

The way it's framed by the guardian is another matter, with nonsense about toilet police, randoms helping him, not being able to use the gents in such an 'accepting' place. Now all that is fiction.

Unfortunately, the ridiculousness of the current state of men's rights toilet activism 😅 makes it hard ignore and resist making snarky comments. 😳

Regardless of anything else , I think it’s ridiculous for a man to be standing in the corner crying after being asked to use the men’s loo. It’s so over the top. Should men who don’t “present as feminine “ also be allowed walk into the women’s loos ?

In my clubbing days there was always a bouncer on the toilet doors to make sure that no man went in the ladies. It was always a big, burly man though as they had to be able to deal with men kicking off. Problem then was men hassling women who were trying to get away rather than ones who thought they had lady feels.

You were also not allowed to take drinks into the toilet so there was a little table outside where you had to leave it if you didn't have anyone to look after it.

Do men ever get annoyed at being endlessly represented as being so bigoted and so out of control that they can't share a toilet with someone looking like Jack without resorting to abuse and violence?

Why doesn't Jack name the venue? Because if it is an "alternative hub that has always prided itself on being an accepting space" there is no way it would have toilet police. In fact, I don't actually believe any venue in the UK has suddenly newly appointed toilet police?

I am sympathetic to trans people and tbh am not worried personally about sharing a loo, but I take this story with a massive pinch of salt.

So feminine...😐

The amount of detail about the "pissing" makes this sound almost fetishistic.

And as a PP said, the writing style is utterly cringeworthy.

That’s quite telling, isn’t it. We’ve seen on here the tiny number of places that have said they will be going along with the SC ruling — vastly overwhelmed by the number that have publicly said they won’t. I find it hard to believe that a place that is as alternative and accepting would have rolled over as described in the article.

"...their stories can be found in science-fiction anthologies and online magazines of variable repute."

Ha ha! Variable repute indeed.

The use of ‘presenting feminine’ and ‘masculine pictogram’ is very telling in my opinion.

This person thinks it is all about presentation and cannot conceive that it is about the needs of having a female sexed body. So… a typical bloke interpretation of the need for female toilets.

I was once told to stand at the back of the temple with the other women on a cultural visit. I was horrified but understood it was their space so I didn’t make a fuss. Or write to the newspapers to invite bad feeling about members of that faith group. It didn’t occur to me to try to bully my way in. That’s what I consider to be a tolerant society - I don’t like their beliefs but I can live with it. The female sing sex spaces are ours - what is with these intolerant males barging in? Then accusing us of bigotry? It’s the most ridiculous thing

A dress and full makeup. Don't forget the makeup.

There is a much longer piece on Jack's Substack where the venue is named. It is telling that the Guardian editors decided to omit that.

The writing marks him out as a male aggressor. He sounds like he is, a male wearing an earring and dress demanding access to women’s facilities.

And you read the longer version? Talk about taking one for the team, mate…

What is the name of the venue? I’d like to ask them if they actually have a “stocky woman” guarding the women’s toilets….

I don't believe a word of it, absolute nonsense.

"I was visiting family in London when the British supreme court handed down its unexpected ruling: under the Equality Act, sex was now considered “binary” in law, which meant transgender people could be banned from single-sex spaces of their gender identity. The Labour government, which had come into office promising us “dignity”, capitulated."

The Guardian are failing their readers by publishing this.

The government did not 'capitulate'. They must comply with the law, just as any other government must.

Sex has always been binary in law. Leaving aside trans issues, this was recently confirmed by a different judgement https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/news/court-of-appeal-rules-that-nonbinary-gender-cannot-be-registered-in-the-uk/ and was not considered by the SC.

The SC considered a different question - whether a GRC can change somebody's sex for the purposes of the EA. However, it has always been the case that a single sex space could be segregated by sex, and it was confirmed in 2022 that somebody without a GRC does not have any right at all to use the facilities of the opposite sex.

Whether or not toilets should be mixed sex is a different question and the Guardian is free to campaign on that or any other issue, through normal democratic processes. However, my tip to them would be find lawyers who understand the law as it is, not as they would like it to be. It gets better results in court.

If it was a busy or high risk venue there could have been security placed near the toilets to keep an eye out for drug dealing and other risky behaviour.

A friend of mine works in welfare services for various festivals and events. and at some they place staff near the toilet areas to keep a look out for drug taking and sexual assault and to help vulnerable people.

Trans Australian = a railway line.