The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet

[Justme56]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/15/trans-australian-uk-britain-tolerance

https://www.wheelercentre.com/people/jack-nicholls

The person’s sex seems obvious although they seem to consider the idea of ‘presenting as feminine’ is enough!

His prostate though, it's just biding its time.

Well he can do like Robin then. He'll have a choice between the disabled due to his health condition and the mens at that point won't he?

Some of the more trutransy TRAs might not appreciate this intervention either, I don’t think.

Speculative fetishistic fiction methinks.

Well diddums to them too.

Anyone who says they are a woman is a woman. Stonewall officially reclassified cross dressers as trans under the trans umbrella. Acceptance without Exception was the slogan. Followed by no debate.

You don't get to pick and choose on this, or 'suddenly revoke the human rights of people who had been granted those rights'.

How very transphobic of TRAs.

storminabuttercup · Today 11:38

Hang on If he only uses the men’s when he is in men’s clothes why would he get the side eye and smirks?
I’m calling bull shit on the whole thing

I agree entirely, I've already made that point, but wanted to congratulate you for your excellent username!

I have to call this out as an Australian. I have had more issues in the UK with sexism than I did in Australian. There is this stereotype that I see often here on MN and I don’t believe that the UK is better at all.

I wonder if those female friends will eventually understand what they enabled on the very flimsy excuse of ‘I wanted to’.

Parallels to RW in the HoC, appealing to and manipulating women into enabling them to attack women's rights.

Yes, because they wanted to.

I have no sympathy for all this woe. Don't use and abuse women and they won't have to upset you with the word 'no'.

Man not allowed in women's toilet. My heart bleeds.

that’s the thing about oppression: it widens. It affects us all.

It's oppression now, is it, to deny a man entry to the women's toilet?
Fuck off mate.

I’m just going on impressions from a male dominated industry - so agree this could be very biased. Where would I find VAWG figures for Oz?

This another mass peaking event. Lots of people sharing his original article not the edited version.

Keep promoting the ultra creeps TAs.

He seems very self entitled with no empathy for women. My nephew wears dresses and make up sometimes but he never uses the ladies. He is perplexed by this guy's arguments. He knows he is male and the dress doesn't change that.

Pure fantasy. Not a word of it rings true.

Yeah, it's complete histrionics.

"now I needed to piss, and I was afraid."

"Sensing my discomfort my friends loyally announced their own need to pee"

"My friends came to the rescue, telling the guard to back off and escorting me into the women’s, which was crowded with people. Gaze fixed downwards to hide my humiliationn, I pushed into a cubicle and peed. My head was ringing, there were raised voices outside, then the rap at the door."

"Britain has become a country where trans people can be yanked from their sports teams; where cash-strapped businesses can be forced to ghettoise their customers"

"For a minute afterwards I stood crying against the wall. Then the toilet policewoman returned and took up position in front of me. She looked a little ashamed, and she touched a now-gentler hand to my arm."

Actually, there isn't a sentence in that article that is not overblown and ludicrous.

🤣 ngl you have to wonder if Guardian trans coverage is a psyop 🤔

That really is a 'trans australian' then!

Oh but the DRRRRAMMMMA!!!!!

I don’t know where the federal stats are. I would assume that each state collects their own VAWG stats.

However, are you now saying Australian men are more likely to commit VAWG rather than just Australian men being ‘dismissive’?

And I work in a male dominated industry too. As I said, I have found the sexism as bad if not worse in the UK. But there is this narrative that gets rolled out on MN quite often, so I am now going to push back on it.

It was a huge melodrama. And I don’t think it has gone down the way that Jack expected. He has certainly shone a huge beacon where the UK lobby groups don’t want it to be shone.

Ok. I’d just like to find the stats to see what the numbers say and how different countries compare. Light googling suggests that
the rate of partner or former partner killings in Australia has in recent times been twice has high as the UK. But those figures look a bit odd and need checking. I’d like to compare with Europe - Scandi countries look surprisingly bad

https://www.lrfoundation.org.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/LRF_2021_report_safe-at-work.pdf?_gl=11djoyif_gcl_auMjEzMjYwMTI2OC4xNzUwMDI0Njg5_gaNzg0MTIyNTAuMTc1MDAyNDY4OA.._ga_BC2H827C86*czE3NTAwMjQ2OTAkbzEkZzEkdDE3NTAwMjQ2OTAkajYwJGwwJGgw

this is a study on work place harrassment.

australia and NZ apparently have most work place harassment.

However I haven’t read the study to find out how they accounted for different levels of monitoring and reporting systems.

Nordic countries also do badly.

I'm really really surprised by the Scandi results. Have we been fed on a diet of propaganda about how wonderfully liberal these places are? Just depends on how they decide to frame the numbers I guess -"lies, damned lies, and statistics"

ETA typo

I would also take care when reading these stats too. Because I suspect you might find that there are more protective legislation in Australia industrial relations. I was shocked when I moved to the UK at what was overlooked here compared to in Australia. I had a workplace situation here that a lawyer advised me was going to be very long and stressful to remedy that was a clear cut case in Australia.

So, sometimes stats can be deceptive and I love stats.

Every time I have seen a man kicked out of the ladies at Koko (and it has been happening regularly for at least a decade) it was because they were suspected of taking coke in the cubicles, or shagging.

I don’t think Jack has fallen afoul of the toilet gender police here, just the standard toilet security guards.