Simone Biles attacks Riley Gaines

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Simone Biles has come out in defence of males in women's sports, and has attacked Riley Gaines for fighting against it. She said on Twitter:

"@RileyGaines
You’re truly sick, all of this campaigning because you lost a race. Straight up sore loser. You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding a way to make sports inclusive OR creating a new avenue where trans feel safe in sports. Maybe a transgender category IN ALL sports!! But instead… You bully them… One things for sure is no one in sports is safe with you around!!!!!"

So, so disappointing. Both my daughters do gymnastics and are huge SB fans, so it is awful for her to show such contempt towards RG, who is fighting for a level playing field for women and girls in sport. And to suggest a separate category as if nobody has ever thought of that and tried it 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yup. Right wing women are allowed rights too, even if they would often deny some of them to other women. I'll fight for them even if they don't fight for me. Fundamental.

Simone Biles has show her true self spouting bile about another woman and has proven how fake she was in this interview because she wanted the as wearing money from the SK-11 brand!

https://www.shape.com/celebrities/news/simone-biles-body-shaming-beauty-standards

She is truly a nasty piece of work.

Simone hasn't announced retirement and is still in the drug pool, but otherwise agree. Her current position is evidently based on a belief that a trans category is an option. It's theoretically possible that she might think differently once she finds out the reality, albeit she may well have backed herself into a corner with this performance so I wouldn't expect her to admit it if she does.

She doesn't have to care about women's reproductive rights though, does she? It's a free country and she can take whatever position she likes. We can disagree with her if we like, but tbf the USA is very different from the UK when it comes to issues like abortion and plenty of people over there agree with her.

I just can't believe that people chastise her for "only coming 5th". Not everyone can be the winner. She was an elite swimmer. She took part in Olympic trials. She was there when Lia Thomas was trying to set a precedent which, if not for Riley, he might have gotten away with, and she has every right to campaign against it.

But SB cant hold whatever views she wants? Like I said, I also disagree with SB's unnecessary jab on RG's looks. But I agree the world needs to find a solution and one solution could be - as SB and many others suggest, a separate category. And I agree with RG that men shouldnt be in women's sport but I disagree with her support for a man taking reproductive rights away from women, from people of colour, taking away lifesaving food and medicines (its already bought and being allowed to rot/expire) to the world's most vulnerable. You support whoever you want and their views.

But I agree the world needs to find a solution

yes but do we need to find a solution?? There are 2 sexes and trans ppl can compete with their birth sex. If they’ve taken so many meds or made bodily changes that makes that impossible then you know that’s the consequences of the choices they made. Not everyone can have everything they would like!!

i do not understand why it’s other peoples responsibility to solve entirely self inflicted problems

The first point of order is getting males out of women's sport. That is the priority. Anyone who wants to try and talk zealots into accepting a trans category can do that, and leave the rest of us to try and reinstate boundaries around women's sport.

My daughter is a competitive swimmer and she should NEVER be competing against a male whether she finishes first or last. The downplaying of women's competitive sport is disgusting.

This.

i do not understand why it’s other peoples responsibility to solve entirely self inflicted problems

Exactly. Especially as trans-specific categories have been trialled and were pretty much ignored by the people making the most noise.

Competing in one's own sex class is the solution

How could it be a solution when trans athletes won't accept it? There's nothing the rest of the world can do about that, unless you think they should be frogmarched to the events and forced to compete with a gun at their heads. The most that could be done to facilitate that is strict sex based categories, and even then excluding males from the women's doesn't automatically make them willing to participate in a trans event.

I don't understand why you're still saying this when it's been repeatedly pointed out to you that trans athletes don't want it. Simone at least was speaking from a position of ignorance. But you're not, now.

But why are you contaminating your views on women’s rights in sport, and RG’s views on women’s rights on sport, with her other opinions? Why lump them together and decide that because her views on other issues don’t chime with yours, that she must therefore be wrong on this and deserve a kicking?

Exactly. Nobody can have it all ways and trans people are not special and different in this regard.

When I was a teen one of my friends left school to go to the Royal Ballet School, and there were high hopes she would make it as a top tier ballerina. She had the talent. But she grew too tall. And that was that. It was very hard for her.

A friend of a friend was scouted by a model agency and got some work, but was told she’d need to get skinnier to do really well. She was already a size 8 at a tall height. She just couldn’t and didn’t want to do it. So she had to leave modelling and carve out a new career.

Them’s the breaks. For all of us. Factors in our bodies beyond our control, and the choices we make, open and close opportunities for all of us. Trans people are no different and there’s no moral obligation to shield them from this particular reality at the expense of others.

Of course SB can hold whatever views she wants. But if she posts something on a social media platform, especially something as astoundingly ignorant as she posted, she can expect pushback.

Please tell us what relevance RG's views on reproductive rights and politics have on the issue of men competing in women's sports?

This is very clear.

Simone has just shown that she lacks the depth of knowledge that you would expect from someone with her sports experience who has just made a comment about this topic publicly. She had shown she has done little or no work to understand the topic.

And if she had she would have understood that separate events are not wanted by those male people. And when there has been separate prizes offered, that what ends up happening is that athletes who are not as exceptional as the male and female category winners are being rewarded as if they are.

There seems to be so much effort around including these athletes when studies have shown that this reduced performance can be reversed with training.

I used to like her until I watched her Netflix docu. I thought she came across very spoiled and smug and just generally unlikeable but couldn’t quite put my finger on it

I must admit I don't find either of these women terribly likeable.

It's hard to like someone who is such a Trump fan when you see what's going on in the States now. We're basically now seeing armed officers throwing people into jail, depriving them of food and water, in complete and open defiance of any law or justice. If you support that - which we have to assume Riley does - then that's entirely different to disliking someone because you don't share their views on tax, or grammar schools, or the Winter Fuel Payment!

As for Simone, not at all keen on the way she had GOAT sewn into her leotard - it's for other people to choose who they think is the greatest in any sport, not to self-declare it. Whilst I respected her withdrawal at the Olympics when she felt her safety was at risk, I disliked the way she seemed to receive more praise for that than the woman who actually won the competition!

US Swimming tried a trans category following the Lia Thomas business and no one entered.

No trans woman wants a trans category. They only want access to the women's. It is disingenuous for SB to suggest that RG should be campaigning for this when no one wants it but also RG can campaign for what she likes, and what she wants is sex based sports. That's a perfectly legitimate cause.

https://x.com/MissVega8888/status/1931205346690838773

Can you understand her body shaming Riley Gaines too? Is that acceptable to you? From a woman who has, quite rightly, previously complained about being told she has a manly physique doing that to another woman? She has absolutely no moral high ground here. What a disappointment she is.

Utterly disappointing

But I agree the world needs to find a solution and one solution could be - as SB and many others suggest, a separate category.

For anyone still saying, as if it's a brand new idea which no one has thought about, 'what about third spaces/open categories etc', a link was posted on the first page of this thread. Here it is again -

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

Aside from the question of why women are facing demands to find a solution to accommodate male feelings, open categories etc are rejected outright as 'othering'. Only complete capitulation by women is seen as acceptable. Never mind the fact that women's sports are now being used as a option for mediocre male athletes to excel, at the expense of women.

But I agree the world needs to find a solution and one solution could be - as SB and many others suggest, a separate category.

For anyone still saying, as if it's a brand new idea which no one has thought about, 'what about third spaces/open categories etc', a link was posted on the first page of this thread. Here it is again -

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

Aside from the question of why women are facing demands to find a solution to accommodate male feelings, open categories etc are rejected outright as 'othering'. Only complete capitulation by women is seen as acceptable. Never mind the fact that women's sports are now being used as a option for mediocre male athletes to excel, at the expense of women.

And has everyone SEEN the reaction the idea of third space toilets in the last few weeks never mind third sports categories 😆

Same old story, woman is against men competing in women's sport and then criticism is justified because of abortion and calling that person racist.

Gaines was criticised by Biles over the one issue of men in women's sport, not all this other whataboutery.

Gymnastics is sex segregated because women are not as physically strong as the men, and men are not as flexible as the women. It's a sport where transitioning is not going to give anyone an advantage. So Biles can make these statements from a naturally protected sport, she never had to worry about it.

Oh come on Op ….. your false naivety is too much here. The entire post that you have quoted is a political statement by the delightful MAGA poster girl you so admire. She states “Gavin Newsom is a weak, spineless, morally bankrupt coward” Thats Gavin Newson the current governor of California. The state that has not only fought and maintained abortion rights but also refuses to hand over details of out of state women or the doctors that help them to the maga fascists. The state that is actively bringing legislation to try and counteract the awful cuts to Medicare and food stamps that disproportionately affect women. Riley Gaines is a despicable woman who has actively supported and campaigned for Donald Trump and Paul Rund (the governor of Kentucky) where abortion is now illegal unless the mother is at risk of imminent death.

Riley Gaines political views are part and parcel of the appalling MAGA ideology and the insidious movement that is trying to convince women that these horrors are on their side because “at least they know what a women is” whilst single-handedly taking women’s rights back to the dark ages. Ffs - they jut passed a bill that makes it much harder to vote if you are a married women as your ID has to match your birth certificate.

And she’s five foot fucking 8 not five foot five - a cheap and unnecessary shot by the multi Olympic champion who fought through racism and adversity her whole life - but another example of the continued maga “post truth” culture because a women is blonde, white and petite.