Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

“The issue I have is that it’s clear not one person who is commenting knows anyone trans.”

Really. And how do you know thar? You surely don't know everyone on this thread.

I mean, I know a transwoman, so you clearly don't know me.

The transwomen I know talks about needing tampons, although he's 62, and he is in a sexual relationship with another transwoman.

They call themselves lesbians, although they're actually gay men.

It's a radical thought I know, but it's possible to care about more than one thing all at the same time.

In fact being a woman I'm also an epic multitasker, so I care about the climate emergency, the wars in Gaza & Ukraine, the ongoing conflict between India & Pakistan, what vaguely healthy meal I will be making for dinner tomorrow night and ensuring that safe, single sex spaces for women are preserved.

I agree it’s an emotive subject, but is it really as important as the climate emergency or the wars in Gaza, Ukraine, etc, etc?

Yes, it is.

I do actually remember the posters' usernames but as they're not on this thread, I thought it not fair to drag them in.

But it was all well mannered and gave me food for thought on how they got to where they are and how they are dealing with everything and I wish them well.

You don’t agree with the recent ruling. What other basic facts of the universe do you ‘disagree’ with?

Sadly for you, ‘disagreeing’ with something as basic and unchanging like the existence of biological sex/men and women doesn’t make them disappear.

It was back to their feelings again.

You have answered your own question.

Rubbish, I expect most just want to blend in, my neice going from male to female, living abroad, just wants to blend in.
She’lll never be a threat to women, as I suspect lots aren’t

While this twitter thread is a good reminder to be on the look out for the empathy traps that we have seen leveraged time and again recently 'how do you think x feels about being banned / excluded'?

Maybe listening to this male barrister about their proud boasting that they had sex with a partner who did not understand that they were male will give some insight that the male people who try all sorts of tactics to convince female people to allow them access to female single sex spaces will perhaps not be only not caring about how female people feel. They also don't seem to care about any one else either.

What type of person believes it is appropriate to boast on national TV that the person they had sex with ended up having sex that they may not have consented to if they had been given a clear choice?

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/1913068780944802226

Well as some of the commentators are men, that is probably unlikely 😀

just using words doesn’t wash any longer… you need to drill back to the meaning - transphobic - trans from transition - it is not possible to transition from male to female so there can’t be such a thing / phobia - to fear or be afraid of - don’t think that people on here are afraid of something that can’t exist 😉

Well it’s because they’re men pretending to be women so of course they don’t care.

They are not going from male to female as humans cannot change sex. Male and female are sex indicate sex.

Do you have any medical research backing this or are we just stigmatising already stigmatised mental illnesses for shits and giggles?

You don't know that, no one else knows that and how are women supposed to tell the difference on first pass.

It's Schrodinger's rapist again. They might be, they might not. We don't want to take the risk.

Her intent, which only exists inside her head, does not have any bearing on access to single sex spaces or services.

So does your male family member use any female single sex provision?

Because if the answer is 'yes', then your male family member is highly likely causing female people harm either intentionally or not intentionally. Whether you, personally, perceive them as a 'threat' or not is irrelevant. It is how female people who need those provisions perceive your male family member.

You personally, don't get to consent on behalf of all female people.

They may not all be a threat to women but women don’t perceive that. They feel threatened.
Remember that most women have to risk assess their safety ( from men) every time they leave the house.

Minus her plus his.

And how do you know that he won't be a threat to women?

Well many men aren't a threat to women but we keep them all out because you can't tell which are until it's too late. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Also lots of trans IDing males are very much a threat to women, here are just a few of them:

https://terfisaslur.com/

We are trying to understand the mentality of the type of transwomen who allow themselves to be interviewed publicly and are unable to show any empathy for women; making every interview all about themselves and their thwarted desires.

They do care. They love it.

Indeed. Many women have had major issues with men, that's the whole point of women not wanting to share single sex space, with biological men.
Let's think about this, if a group of people had been enslaved, owned as property, abused, killed and oppressed by another group. Then over time faught for their rights in law and had protected spaces where they could feel safe from the other group, but now some people in that other group were dressing up like them and forcing themselves into their spaces, do you think the oppressed group has a right to say they don't want this.
If a white person for example thought they were black, could they paint themselves black and go to a black rights rally saying they are now a black man.
No. They would probably be seen as having a mental illness and also would be seen as offending the black community, quite rightly.
Maybe, some people do have gender dysphoria, and genuinly think they should be the opposite sex. it doesn't mean that the rest of us have to just accept this as a perfectly OK for women to now have their safe spaces invaded by men who have for whatever reason, said they are now a woman.
If a trans person can not see how this is an issue, then I would say that they can not be trans, because a woman would understand this about women.

'Well many men aren't a threat to women but we keep them all out because you can't tell which are until it's too late. This is not a difficult concept to understand'

Namey, safeguarding and boundaries can be difficult concept to understand as we know. It is highly likely that those who declare their lovely friends/family are no threat to anyone, as @Nsky62 has, cannot grasp the very basic principle of safeguarding that is the foundation for female single sex spaces. You know the one.

All male people are excluded even the lovely male people who are no threat to female people at all,

It is a Chesterton's fence situation.

All male people are excluded even the lovely male people who are no threat to female people at all,

And the lovely male people know this and understand why it is necessary and would not dream of approaching, let alone crossing, the boundaries.

Not my Nigel is not a good basis for safeguarding as said above.