Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

[ItsCoolForCats]

I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

This way of thinking shows an inability to see the views of others. All the more reason I do not want to share spaces where I’m vulnerable or partially dressed with them I’m afraid.

Did some one say clownfish?

But they know they are men regardless of how they view themselves or they wouldn’t be on a show talking from the trans point of view, if someone came and asked me how I feel about something as a transwoman I’d be baffled because I know I’m a woman.

Because men are generally inherently selfish.

The simple answer is because they are men

there needs no further discussion

It's a crying shame that these people have been pandered to and fed completely untrue and illogical possibilities. The sooner the world gets back to dealing with scientific facts instead of fantasy the better. Trans people have a right to exist but they do not have the right to force the rest of us to ignore biological reality.

This is an important post which shouldn’t be lost in amongst all the plopping and derailing.

I would also agree with @MinkaLeDinka about the impact on women being revelled in. At best, it’s validation, at worst it’s a trip to Malaga.

Some of them get off on scaring women. The rest are just socialised, as men, to think that their desires and feelings obviously come first. In some, it's so ingrained they probably really don't realize it. Ironic how they don't see that their behaviour here is so completely...male.

Its irrelevant.

Women and women only get to define themselves. Otherwise all you prove is that women are second class to men.

Transwomen don't get to, because they are men cos biology.

Transwomen can only be male by definition. Cos Sex. If you erase the meaning of sex from language, transwomen cease to exist as a definable group as you need sex to distinguish them. This also means they lose any status in terms of being the most vulnerable in society. Cos Logic and Reason.

@ItsCoolForCats Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully.

It's not "faux naive." Stephen Nolan does not give his own opinions or perspectives during these debates, because he is doing a job. His job is facilitate the discussion, and to ask questions to prompt people to talk and to give as much relevant information as possible.

That means challenging people, and asking "devil's advocate" type questions- this applies to people on ALL sides of the debate.

In the interests of a small amount of balance, there were a couple of transwomen who posted on a thread that @Seethlaw was on, who were incredibly calm, rational and good to talk to.

They stood out because they were so rare. Sorry I have forgotten your usernames.

And Seethlaw is also a very interesting poster whose input was fascinating and welcomed too. Because in all 3 cases they were able to separate sex from gender and see the issues.

So polite discussion can take place, but not if TRAs and their support systems are trying to bulldoze debate.

That is spectacular!

They might view themselves as woman gender (whatever that means) but their sex is male and they know that without a shred of doubt. And if they have been paying any attention to women's concerns they will know that it is the fact that they are of the male sex that is the issue.
So either they know why it causes us a problem but they don't care or they genuinely haven't enough interest in women to find out what the problem is. In either case that is male-pattern behaviour.

A lot of them are autistic. And autistic people can find it hard to perspective-take.

Yes it is. Stop trying to emotionally blackmail women into not caring about our own fucking rights.

Seemed apt with someone who seemed to be trying to leverage sexual orientation into the thread. But I could have misunderstood and they could have been using mixed up terms for gender identity.

Either way, it is sometimes good to see it put together, isn't it? A reminder of the not so distant past?

Some transwomen are capable of respecting women,.and two of them - Miranda Yardley and Fionne Orlander - started a campaign in 2019 for third spaces for transpeople. None for the big organisations who've made a lot of money and got a lot of attention apparently fighting for trans rights, supported them.

Why? Because this was never about safety for the transpeople who have the power. It was never about 'just want to pee'. If it was we'd have third spaces everywhere by now, Stonewall alone made £millions, they could have funded them, they could have used all the influence they had over companies and government departments to get them provided.

This is and was always about using women. That's why third spaces are never acceptable to these people, because they want the space with the women in. They want to use women, either to validate their identity or because they enjoy it, both are only possible if you don't see women as full sentient humans but as a resource for your own convenience.

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-a-plea-for-third-spaces-for-transgender-men-and-women

Yes, third spaces aren't acceptable because women aren't in them to validate the experience.

(And hand over tampax, share lipsticks and have pillow fights or something)

Pure male entitlement. Just visit any transgender Reddit forum and it will practically ooze from your screen.

Here are a couple of disturbing posts I found just from today and there are thousands more like it:

Slagging off a nurse who was SA as a child:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/sK6hoqp50P

Going into women’s changing rooms without consent:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/44jfEw0eya

Because there are many new eyes reading this thread, may I suggest that if you need a reminder of why some male people with transgender identities don't care if women feel unsafe that this video will give some insight.

It really is quite hard to unsee the patterns of abuse once you see them. This video is very powerful.

Because they have been socialised as men, with male entitlement.

They don't care because they're men.

Why would they? We have the ruling and hopefully thing can go back the the way they were 30 years ago

That is true and it was an interesting thread. It will be another bonus of the Supreme Court ruling if more transwomen who are willing to have rational discussions finally feel able to speak up

Because they are controlling bullies like a lot of men are,

Is that the best you can do?

The reason the TRA mob always resort to cries of ‘transphobia’ ‘TERF!’ ‘bigot’ etc is because there is no logical scientific argument that can be made for their case. All they have is name-calling, bullying and intimidation.