Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

Because they have weaponised our fear, claimed ownership and used it against us.

Which is a signature move.

I think it’s sometimes just a power trip.

Well yes they did, the first response to the opening post "Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?" is "Because they’re narcissists."

If you (anti-trans activists) would like people to listen to the valid points you make, you need to stop the hate speech. And before you say that wasn't you, it was another anti-trans poster, you're not responsible for that - well duh, the general population of trans women are not responsible for what a few outspoken trans women say either.

The funny thing is that people are listening to the very valid points being made. It has taken a long time but people are listening.

The problem with telling us to "stop the hate speech" is that you consider saying "transwomen are not women" as transohobic hate speech. Its not possible to raise our valid points without saying that so I'm afraid the hate will persist.

I think you must have me confused with someone else when you say "you consider saying "transwomen are not women" as transohobic hate speech". I was referring to posters saying trans women as a group are narcissists or have personality disorders as unacceptable hate speech.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

"...you say that wasn't you, it was another [TRA], you're not responsible for that - well duh, the general population of [GC women] are not responsible for what a few outspoken [GC] women say either."

It has been a common refrain that valid discussion is allowed but only on the non- hateful premise that TWAW. It's just a way of stifling debate and discussion, nothing more.

Not seeing any anti-trans activists on here…

a) there is no such thing as trans - a man is a man / a woman is a woman, it is not possible to transition between

b) this is not about being anti those who claim to be trans - it is about stating reality and truth / it is about protecting women who statistically are more vulnerable / it is about asking people to observe the law and not twist words to make truth appear to be something different

c) you don’t get to define the discussion as hate speech - if telling the truth hurts it is only because somewhere, someone has twisted the truth for their benefit and to see the truth laid out with clarity exposes the deception

d) if the issues coming from the demands of men claiming to be trans is only from a few outspoken men, where is the voice of all the other men claiming to be trans who disagree and who respect women?

e) as it is not possible to change sex, the mere claim that someone is trans is appropriation of the opposite sex, e.g. an attempt by men to redefine women for their own benefit and at a cost to women

f) that appropriation - evidenced in pronouns / language / coercive behaviour / compelled speech / theft of women’s spaces / claims to women’s characteristics (breast feeding / periods / menopause/ etc) is the very definition of either narcissist behaviour or personality disorders…

g) totally accept that for some it feels genuine - but as we all know it can’t ever biologically / factually / legally actually be reality, it is important to make sure that such claims do not have negative impact elsewhere as the top priority, alongside also compassion and treatment for those who have genuine body dysmorphia…

not hate speech - a re-balance back to a proper, just and fair society for all…

We aren't "anti-trans activists" we are feminists. Which you would know if you listened to the valid points we make.

And if the majority of trans women are perfectly lovely, empathetic creatures who wouldn't hurt a fly, why the hell are they not speaking out against the minority who are threatening to rape and murder us?

I'd also question why the majority who aren't narcissists literally never express any empathy for women or acknowledge how we feel.

But they know they are not women. They know they are making women uncomfortable. They just don’t care as long as they get the validation they need. They are not nice people. It just proves they are not women. Women usually go out of their way not to make people uncomfortable. Men not so much.

This. They're men who care about themselves first and second.

I'd also question why the majority who aren't narcissists literally never express any empathy for women or acknowledge how we feel.

Now, there's at least a minority who do - you see them online - but they have apparently no significant influence.

Maybe some of the previous posters' lovely trans acquaintances are part of that minority? (But as others have said - how would those posters know if they've never failed to defer to them?)

But if so, the current trans rights movement isn't for them. It's for the narcissists and abusers, like Dr Upton and Rose in the two NHS cases at the moment.

NHS trusts are enabling and committing abuse of women in the names of the lovely trans acquaintances. And I see no sign of "trans women as a group" having any problem with that.

Maybe previous posters should reserve some anger for them, doing this in the name of the lovely harmless trans acquaintances, not us for calling it out.

It's more than obvious the first responder meant the trans women who don't care. Which is the topic of this thread. It shouldn't need to be broken down for you. But of course you anti-women posters will manipulate, twist and distort what is said to create your misogynistic anti-women narrative.

Ahh, yes, but thanks to the fragrant Dr Upton, we have ‘nebulous dog whistle’ in the repertoire, now.

Which was nice of him.
I was getting a bit tired of the same old, same old, Greatest Hits from TRAs.

It’s nice to see some classics, though - like we were treated to at the demonstration a couple of weeks ago.
Always keeping it classy.

30 years ago I met a man in the loos near the children's play area all dolled up with his cock out. No. It's gone too far. No men in women's spaces ever again.

Could those ‘nice/kind/respectful/empathetic’ (whichever adjective you prefer) ‘trans women’ have a word with their pals, and tell them to stop with the rape and death threats, and using women’s facilities, and prisons, etc.
We’re getting a bit tired of it now.

Because they view themselves as women they struggle to sympathise with why other women have a problem with them sharing the bathroom/changing room with them.

Are you saying they can only sympathize with people who agree with them? That sounds like another way of saying that they're narcissistic and entitled (and immature), that they refuse to consider other peoples' needs or point of view.

They might view themselves as women but they know that many other people view them as men. Most adults are able to consider how someone with a different point of view might feel, especially after it has been explained to them, even if they don't agree.

Although it has to be said, finding the ones who do care is...challenging. Where are they all hiding?

There speaks the arrogance of a privileged male.

Women's sex based human rights have been trodden over and abused in plain sight for years and years. We've had to fight back over and over and finally this was acknowledged in 2025 with the SC ruling. When laws that affect over 30 million people in the UK are not enforced and put women and girl's safety at risk then yes it is as equally important as what is happening in Gaza, Ukraine, Climate change. Would you say the same about theft, drug crime, street violence. Corporate fraud? With your spin on it we should disregard these crimes as they are not as serious as wars going on around the world.

I doubt the poster can see the hypocrisy of their post Kinsters, but hopefully they will.

Also if feminists centring the needs of female people are anti-trans, then that makes the people supporting transgender male people being prioritised over female people’s needs misogynist.

ie. anti-women

Ah. In answer to: 'why don't men with trans identities care if women feel unsafe' we've had:

1 - your pity and compassion for me and my trans child should mean you abandon all your rights and all those of your daughters, and of your children who are gay, and stop talking about feeling unsafe or criticising our behaviours

2 - women thinking about their rights is selfish and petty minded when there are real problems in the world that they should focus on, and they should stop talking about feeling unsafe or criticising men's behaviours

3 - if you women were just nice enough and kind enough, men might in turn be kind enough to care about things like women not wanting to be forced to undress for their pleasure or be strip searched by them (so stop talking about feeling unsafe and criticising men's behaviours).

I won't pathologise, it's all too easy to do, but in terms of demonstrating that there certainly is a definite pattern of seeing women's rights and equalities as trivial and selfish, demonstrating deep sexism about women's place in the world compared to men, and seeing self/immediate people of importance as the rightful focus of everyone at all times and under all circumstances, with anyone not servicing this being broken in some way or the enemy? And that those patterns can be immediately elicited in a few hours even on a women's rights forum? It does the job very well.

Such nonsense.

Fascist has been doing a lot of banding about recently. Trouble is that just makes me think of Monty Python and laugh, which I don't think is the desired effect.

Why? Were you ever dragged out prior to about 5 or 6 years ago before we were told we had to make male people welcome?

It is remarkable how scared extreme transgender rights campaigners and allies have made women recently with their claims that female people who might be tall are being either attacked by other female people in toilets because tall women must look as if they are male or are being removed by security guards.

As a child and teen who was repeatedly mistaken for a boy, I simply replied ‘I am a firm’ to those women or other girls who questioned me. Other women who are questioned in toilets simply answer the questions raised with ‘I am female’ and their voice reassures other women.

Female people are highly likely to correctly identify the sex of a human, and sometimes very quickly. Sometimes it takes interaction with the person they are seeking to identify the sex of. However, when it comes to working out whether the person in front of them is male or not, female people are highly likely to be able to do this.

The allies and extreme transgender activists who are spreading this fear and uncertainty like to make others believe that they cannot tell who is male. Because they keep saying ‘you can’t tell who is male ’ as it is central to their belief that any who says they are the opposite sex is the opposite sex. Please don’t believe that falsehood.

Women are not unsafe in their own toilets from other female people and even if you are asked, as so many women and girls have been for decades, it is other female people ensuring the space is safe.

Ok going as far as you can identifying, happy now?