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JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:39

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 12:57

Dystopia is the wrong word, yet also, somehow, exactly the right one.

What exactly are you saying? That JKR is thinking there's an injustice or I am through saying transpeople need rights protecting? If its the latter, can I ask. Did you agree with aparteid?

Seethlaw · 04/05/2025 13:39

Cloudtime · 04/05/2025 13:11

Hilarious . You have just confirmed that you are indeed parroting things you’ve read and know nothing about.

I am a woman and have opinions too …… I just make sure mine are informed ones .

Transvestites are a totally different thing to Trans people.

You’re completely incorrect about surgery. There absolutely are those risks but there are MANY trans people who have had successful surgery with no complications and which have only enhanced their sex lives.

’suddenly seem to have appeared everywhere ‘ 😂😂😂 They’ve always been there ! You just didn’t know! Trans men pass so easily compared to trans women . Your ignorance is shocking .

I guess from your silence on it you’ve actually never felt threatened by a trans woman and couldn’t care less how masculine presenting women will be affected by this witch hunt ?

I imagine though you’re the kind of woman that ‘doesn’t like masc presenting women as they don’t fit your indoctrinated idea of what a woman should look like .

The article you’re parroting relates to children . That is not what is being discussed here

"They’ve always been there ! You just didn’t know! Trans men pass so easily compared to trans women ."

I have no idea if we pass better, but what I can guarantee you is that there are very, very few of us (if any...) who are 6ft tall, muscly and fully bearded. Certainly not enough to go around being every trans activist's friend.

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 13:40

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:38

I offered no opinion on anyone in those photos.

Bye, StuckUpPrincess, I accepted your words of support and you accepted Flowers from me, so it wasn't all badSmile

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:41

NotBadConsidering · 04/05/2025 13:30

Nothing JKR has said contradicts the law that trans people have protections under the EA, for the category of “gender reassignment”, as emphasised by Lord Hodge. She is well aware that they have issues, suffer discrimination and need protection, she is just strident in the belief that it shouldn’t be protection as women (when it comes to the trans identifying men).

Please give an example of JKR denying the idea that trans people have their own rights.

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

A timeline of JK Rowling's transphobic shift

A list of the 'Harry Potter' author's transphobic comments

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:43

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2025 13:32

So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

That’s what women have been saying all along, including JKR. Transactivists however have not.

But it isn't what JKR has said that's why she has been blasted many times. Her last tweet in this post is more balanced bit she can't over write what she's already written.

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

A timeline of JK Rowling's transphobic shift

A list of the 'Harry Potter' author's transphobic comments

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

NotBadConsidering · 04/05/2025 13:43

Which part of this hit job contains the part where JKR says trans people shouldn’t have their own rights for being trans?

Skyellaskerry · 04/05/2025 13:45

Datun · 04/05/2025 08:05

StuckUpPrincess

I agree with other posters that you sound like you're trying to be kind. And you're getting a lot of pushback.

It's a journey. You're on the train.

People will get frustrated because they want your train to speed up. That's all.

@StuckUpPrincess I hear myself in your posts as I was a few years ago, or would have been had the subject been something I followed. It wasn’t. I am over 60 and my eyes were opened with JKRs early messaging and the furore she faced. I took the time to read and I couldn’t work out what she said that was so wrong. Then I started to read and read, I stumbled here, I had been peaked as they say.

The way I feel still catches me. I think I’m quite a kind, gentle person, an environmentalist, loves animals, hates injustice, generally for the underdog, left wing, and giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Once my eyes were opened, that was it. You sound thoughtful and well meaning. As I think I am. I too would campaign for third spaces, if, that is, they were wanted which doesn’t seem to be the case.

FlakyCritic · 04/05/2025 13:45

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:53

Wow, I look away for ten seconds and ten new posts show up. There's no way I can keep up.

I think that most TW are genuine and harmless, and I think that third spaces are the fairest way to go. With gaps for safety, like the toilet-safety poster says.

My position is simple to understand and fair to all. I think that forcing TW to use the bathroom of their bio sex is cruel and will result in them being attacked.

That is all.

There is zero evidence transwomen are attacked in a male facility. ZERO! In fact, there are many transwomen who out of deference to women, don't use female facilities. They say they have never been threatened in the males, and the worst they might get is a strange look.

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:46

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:34

I'm not being cruel to anyone. I don't interact with these people. I'm stating a truth, which is that hormones feminise or masculinise you, and that the more transitioning people do, the more they resemble their chosen sex. Those are just facts. To say I'm being cruel is to grotesquely distort what I meant. Everyone on the world knows that gender-confirming treatment makes you look like your chosen sex. That's why people do it!

Hormones are not magic pills.

There is a limit to any ‘feminising’ they achieve. Masculinising is very different and can be more successful.

neither groups of hormones though change the skeleton. Neither change the hip alignment and hip movements.

So the reality is, many female people can correctly identify the sex of those about them without considering clothes, make up or anything. Even just listening to foot steps.

And unless male people have extensive and maybe repeated surgeries, their faces in real life without filters, will retain some male facial cues. That is what people notice.

It really is a myth about feminising hormones.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:46

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:38

I offered no opinion on anyone in those photos.

I've just scrolled back and now see that you were referring to different photos so yes I was mistaken and you didn't offer an opinion on those three people

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 13:47

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:34

I'm not being cruel to anyone. I don't interact with these people. I'm stating a truth, which is that hormones feminise or masculinise you, and that the more transitioning people do, the more they resemble their chosen sex. Those are just facts. To say I'm being cruel is to grotesquely distort what I meant. Everyone on the world knows that gender-confirming treatment makes you look like your chosen sex. That's why people do it!

You are trying so hard to be nice to transwomen you've forgotten 50% of the population and also failing to be nice to transwomen in the process.

And it's not even being nice to transwomen anyway.

Congratulations.

FlakyCritic · 04/05/2025 13:47

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:43

But it isn't what JKR has said that's why she has been blasted many times. Her last tweet in this post is more balanced bit she can't over write what she's already written.

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

This is a slant by a third hand source that misrepresents what she said. How about reading what JK herself says, first hand? Instead of relying on bad faith third hand sources.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:49

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:38

I would not mind betting that you are interacting with several of those people right now, lurking on mumsnet.

I do not see how stating the fact that transitioning makes people look a lot like their chosen sex is cruel or wrong in any way.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 13:50

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:39

What exactly are you saying? That JKR is thinking there's an injustice or I am through saying transpeople need rights protecting? If its the latter, can I ask. Did you agree with aparteid?

She thinks that there has been an injustice.

The injustice was allowing people to believe that they could change sex and must be affirmed and recognising this was the law.

It never was. Stonewall lied and misrepresented.

Seethlaw · 04/05/2025 13:50

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:26

No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel that then leads them to wanting to transition. Talk about shallow thinking...!

JKR is wrong and has shown herself to be out of order a few times - transpeople have rights just like fenales do. Society hasn't yet sorted rights out. So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

And suddenly you're an expert saying wanting to transition is a MH issue?! Talk about minimising the issue!! Congrats, top of the class (not).

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"No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel"

It's not about feelings, but it's about how people feel? Er...

"how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people?"

Oh, good! You agree with JKR then.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:52

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 13:47

You are trying so hard to be nice to transwomen you've forgotten 50% of the population and also failing to be nice to transwomen in the process.

And it's not even being nice to transwomen anyway.

Congratulations.

How have I failed to be nice to the female 50% of the population? I've said numerous times that if it was up to me, I wouldn't make women share female spaces with TW. I've said that although I don't mind sharing with TW, not all women feel that way, so for that reason, we should have third spaces for transfolk. I'm not understanding how I could be any fairer than that.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:53

It is no kindness to people with transgender identities to restrict access to opposite sex spaces to those who ‘pass’ or who have undergone brutal surgeries.

Demanding brutal surgeries as some kind of commitment is cruel.

And yet people who pride themselves on being kind are some
of the very people demanding them for proof of being ‘really’ transgender. This is fucked up.

FlakyCritic · 04/05/2025 13:54

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:49

I do not see how stating the fact that transitioning makes people look a lot like their chosen sex is cruel or wrong in any way.

Except it's not a fact. 'Transitioned' TW still look nothing like actual women.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 04/05/2025 13:54

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:51

Medical Safety
If you feel nauseous or ill you are likely to head to the toilet. If you collapse, you are more likely to survive, or avoid suffering long-term damage, if someone notices and rescues you.

There are known medical reasons for a disproportionally high frequency of cardiac arrests and strokes while an individual is in the toilet room. There are no UK statistics that list where people collapse. However, it is known there are around 100,000 hospital admissions due to heart attacks in this country, equating to one every five minutes. It is estimated there are 400,000 people in the U.K. with undiagnosed heart failure. There are also around 100,000 strokes in this country, equating to one every five minutes. Around 1% of people in this country have epilepsy and around 80 people are diagnosed with epilepsy each day. There are many other conditions that lead to collapse where you need to be noticed and accessed quickly eg. diabetes and asthma.

To put figures into perspective for UK schools there are around 9 children with epilepsy in an average secondary school. There will be on average another 2-3 with Type 1 diabetes. Several hundred children are diagnosed with strokes each year. Every week on average 12 people under the age of 35 are lost to sudden cardiac death.

The DfE understands the important of quickly getting emergency help - it now expects all state funded schools to have at least one defibrillator on site because defibrillation can increase the survival rate by as much as 70%. But knowing the person has collapsed in the first place, and therefore getting help as quickly as possible, is vital.

Like wearing a car seatbelt, toilet door gaps can make the difference in those critical moments.

Governing bodies must ensure arrangements are in place to support pupils with medical conditions. Some children and staff, such as those with epilepsy, may be considered disabled under the definition set out in the Equality Act 2010, and governing bodies must comply with their duties under that Act. Pupils with medical conditions that may occasionally lead to collapse should have care plans. It has been known for these plans to specifically exclude the use of the enclosed disabled toilets for the very reason that no one would be alerted to a collapse. For example, for people with diabetes or epilepsy there can be a period of confusion pre-collapse, so the person’s awareness to pull an emergency cord is compromised. For these people, and for also for the safety of all those one-off medical emergencies, it is imperative that toilets should have door gaps.

I am not trying to argue, but you've obviously thought about this and I am interested in your solution; I presume you've rejected technological solutions such as a motion detector to sound an alarm if the occupant of a closed toilet is immobile for say 90 seconds without opening the door. I would reject them on the grounds that they will break down and not be repaired, and indeed not be repairable after a few years.

Wide door gaps opening onto the public street or office corridors are probably not acceptable to users or passers-by.

A toilet for all users with an enclosed general space and multiple cubicles are likely to be highly unsafe for vulnerable users - for the same reason that women's toilets are unsafe if men are allowed to use them and the same reason unisex school toilets are unsafe.

What would be your solution(s) in various circumstances?

ThatCyanCat · 04/05/2025 13:54

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:26

No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel that then leads them to wanting to transition. Talk about shallow thinking...!

JKR is wrong and has shown herself to be out of order a few times - transpeople have rights just like fenales do. Society hasn't yet sorted rights out. So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

And suddenly you're an expert saying wanting to transition is a MH issue?! Talk about minimising the issue!! Congrats, top of the class (not).

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rather than say it's all about females

You really haven't got a clue how much you give away when you complain that women's rights are "all about females", do you?

transpeople have rights just like fenales do.

Of course. They have the same rights as everyone else. They are rightly protected on the grounds of their gender identity, and on the grounds of their sex. And as women also have protections on the grounds of sex, they have a right to spaces away from males.

how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people?

By "right societal rules", you essentially mean allowing a self selecting group of men to override the sex based rights of women and enter their spaces. In other words, to be allowed more than everyone else and to be able to take rights from women. What you people never seem to understand, as you complain that women's rights are "all about females", is that their exclusion from female spaces really has nothing to do with them being trans. It's because they are male and no males are allowed in there. Not the King, not Jason Momoa, not George Ezra, not your dad, not my husband, not my brother, not you and not them. How your self image plays into that is entirely irrelevant. They are female spaces.

I know it's hard to have been told you can do what you want for 15 years and now find out you can't, but don't blame us. Blame Stonewall for its campaign of misinformation and intimidation. Silly fuckers are still at it and might get the Charity Commission on them if they don't stop.

You can campaign for third spaces if it's that important, but we all know you won't. It has to be the women's spaces. Why is that?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:54

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:46

Hormones are not magic pills.

There is a limit to any ‘feminising’ they achieve. Masculinising is very different and can be more successful.

neither groups of hormones though change the skeleton. Neither change the hip alignment and hip movements.

So the reality is, many female people can correctly identify the sex of those about them without considering clothes, make up or anything. Even just listening to foot steps.

And unless male people have extensive and maybe repeated surgeries, their faces in real life without filters, will retain some male facial cues. That is what people notice.

It really is a myth about feminising hormones.

All the photos I've seen of transpeople look very convincing.

I've never seen a someone in real life who I think is one sex pretending to be the other.

I don't know if that's because they do pass well or because in the real world, transpeople are a very small segment of the population. FWIW, I live in a big city.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 13:54

Look at the video I posted @StuckUpPrincess
Try and come up with any other solutions than single sex toilets. I can’t.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:55

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:54

All the photos I've seen of transpeople look very convincing.

I've never seen a someone in real life who I think is one sex pretending to be the other.

I don't know if that's because they do pass well or because in the real world, transpeople are a very small segment of the population. FWIW, I live in a big city.

They are photos. They are not real life.

I too live in a big city. And I regularly see male people who don’t ‘pass’ even though some people might consider them attractive. Like the young male person at the end of my street. Standing at the stop light that person might look like a tall thin woman, then that person walks.

You need to understand that all through this thread you have been shown how flawed your position is. Yet you haven’t yet considered that maybe it is your own lack of information that make you demonise and vilify JK Rowling.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:55

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 13:54

Look at the video I posted @StuckUpPrincess
Try and come up with any other solutions than single sex toilets. I can’t.

I will.

When you say single sex, do you mean like what we have now - a room full of cubicles?

FlakyCritic · 04/05/2025 13:56

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:54

All the photos I've seen of transpeople look very convincing.

I've never seen a someone in real life who I think is one sex pretending to be the other.

I don't know if that's because they do pass well or because in the real world, transpeople are a very small segment of the population. FWIW, I live in a big city.

Again, those 'photos' are not real. They are FAKE.

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