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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:42

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 12:41

Do an Advanced Search for @KeepToiletsSafe because she has written several times about how she once rescued someone who had passed out and stopped breathing in a loo. She was only able to recognise this and intervene because a blue hand was visible in the gap under the door. Door gaps are vital for the safety of epileptic people, people prone to fainting, and anyone who heads to the loo to throw up and chokes on their own vomit. They also allow us to detect and intervene if a sexual assault is taking place in a cubicle.

I don't have the ability to search for someone's posts. I said upthread that if gaps are safer then let's have gaps for all loos.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:44

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 12:32

What everyone on here is trying to tell you is that they are being. And women have had to refer to their rapists in court as “she” and state “her penis.” It has been happening, is what we’re trying to say.

So either we have all lost our collective minds, or you just don’t get out much. GO AND GOOGLE IT! Go think for yourself, this sticking your head in the sand and saying “well I never heard of that” makes you sound like the women who say “well my husband doesn’t hit me, so I can’t believe that any other woman’s husband would hit her.” You are so beyond condescending it is abhorrent.

I'm saying that I read the news and I don't see lots of reports of women sexually attacking women. I do see plenty of reports of men sexually attacking women. I can only tell you what I see.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 12:44

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:12

But a fully enclosed loo has a washbasin, so you could wash your clothes out/take your top off in complete privacy, right? As to your other objections, I can't really envisage the mechanics.

The only objection to fully enclosed toilets that I understand from your list is the safety aspect. To that I can only say there is no perfect solution, other places have them, and staff can usually get into them quickly in an emergency.

But all right then, leave toilets as they are and have third spaces.

It's not about whether staff can get in quickly, it's whether anyone actually realises that there's an emergency in time to intervene.

If you stop breathing, you have four minutes before brain damage starts. It's really not long.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 12:44

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:38

She looks 100% feminine, and she doesn't have broad shoulders.

Reminds me of Paris Leese, who in photos can pass, but who when on that celebrity reality show revelaed himself to be just an arrogant and demanding man who thought being a woman meant he could be precious and act like a diva.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 12:44

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:05

But I'm not saying that mode of dress makes anyone any more or less of a woman. I'm saying that thanks to our societal conditioning, IF a TW happens to like skirts and makeup and such, she'd be much freer in our society to do that post-transition than being an unaltered man and doing it. And that's thanks to our silly social conditioning.

So you understand the boxes are bad, and yet you endorse strengthening them?

As women, we all have to live in those boxes to some extent. We are born into them and it is exhausting fighting society all our lives, especially when the people who believe in the boxes are by definition also people who will not hear our voices objectively no matter what we are saying. So I will never criticise a woman because from time to time she adopts genderised dress or a female social role simply to function more easily from day to day in a sexist society despite understanding it's not really "her", or more subtly understanding it's "her" now but her journey to being that was not entirely her own.

But accepting that sometimes women do live within their box is not the same thing as endorsing the idea that a man who wishes to live outside his box is justified in adopting the box of women.

Even if he feels in our society he cannot live as he wishes as a man and even if we understand and recognise the constraints and judgement he feels are real (because god knows we face it ourselves), we still should not be supporting him by agreeing (even if only politely, even if only socially) that he is a woman, because what we do when we do this is demostrate to wider society that we also agree firstly that these things are not ok for a man, and secondly that, because we are agreeing they can become ok for a man if he becomes a "woman", we agree that they are reserved for women. Sexism both ways.

That is way past failing to disagree with sexism, that is actively endorsing it. That is by your words sayign the boxes are wrong but by your actions actively reinforcing them, and I cannot respect that.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:45

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:39

No, I posted three more photos, which aren't up yet.

So you are only basing this on filtered, carefully curated photos?

And you don’t see the issue with this? You don’t understand that if that person you are posting as an example was walking, or moving and interacting with a female person, of any age, that female person will have a high likelihood of being able to correctly identify that person’s sex. Because it is not about how they dress. It is not because they wear make up.

It is because they are MALE! And their entire skeleton is coded to be have male proportions. Nothing can change their hips. And those hips don’t lie. The q-angles of that male body will remain male and perceptible through gait and movement.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 12:45

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:42

I don't have the ability to search for someone's posts. I said upthread that if gaps are safer then let's have gaps for all loos.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 12:45

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:38

Agree that she's not exactly the same as a bio woman, no, but she's also not the same as a regular man, imo.

He is a category of man, not a category of woman...unless you think being a woman is purely about presentation and appearance.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:46

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 12:36

JKR is not 100% correct though is she?

There are people who feel like they are the wrong sex and want to transition to change this. They are not all criminals and rapists. Scientifically/medically there may be greater understanding of this soon but I feel we're not quite there - some people think it's a form of dystopia, but that i's not yet a conclusive diagnosis.

Yes women's rights need protecting, but so does people who really fwel they are the wrong sexand want to transition. What we don't yet have is create the legislation and environment to make this safe for women and transmen. This should be the focus of all efforts alongside diagnosis and treatment options.

We do need to stop allowing children to medically transition though.

She is 💯 correct in everything she’s said. She’s talking about the material reality of women and girls and the importance of defining biological sex.

You’re talking about feelings, and we shouldn’t make laws based on how some men feel in their heads. They’re not born in the wrong body, it’s a MH issue.

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 12:46

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:22

Because they look female. Like her:

I don't look 'feminine' and would never make the finals of a beauty contest Confused Does this mean I'm not a woman? Advice urgently needed!

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:46

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:30

So again, what you have stated here this morning would be considered as transphobic because you, personally, are arbitrating who is and is not transgender based on your personal criteria.

Do you see this?

Clearly, I mean that if I made the rules, that's what I would do. I don't mean I would go out and arbitrate it myself!

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 12:47

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/05/2025 12:23

Can you recommend a surgeon who will transform me into a billionaire?

I've thought for ages that I'd get Eon-Next off my back if I were a billionaire.

Well, I could but you have to live as a billionaire for two years before you even get a foot through her door, so....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 12:48

Innisfree · 04/05/2025 12:36

A friend of mine is one of the three women who led the Supreme Court action for FWS. She is phenomenal and I’m so, so proud of her. And grateful. What an enormous amount of blood, sweat and tears went into this fight over many years! Thank God for JK and her support…financially and otherwise. It may not have been possible without it.

Your friend is an amazing woman FlowersWine

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:48

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:42

I don't have the ability to search for someone's posts. I said upthread that if gaps are safer then let's have gaps for all loos.

And that’s the problem - mixed sex toilets don’t have them!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:49

Innisfree · 04/05/2025 12:36

A friend of mine is one of the three women who led the Supreme Court action for FWS. She is phenomenal and I’m so, so proud of her. And grateful. What an enormous amount of blood, sweat and tears went into this fight over many years! Thank God for JK and her support…financially and otherwise. It may not have been possible without it.

Please tell them how much we appreciate their massive efforts, they truly are legends.

maybeuptight · 04/05/2025 12:49

Just thought I might leave this here

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
woolens · 04/05/2025 12:49

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:39

They are liars, whether they genuinely believe it or not, because what they’re saying is not true, what’s the opposite of the truth? It’s a lie isn’t it?

Is Donald Trump a stable genius? He genuinely believes he is, he says it all the time, but he’s obviously lying isn’t he, because he’s neither stable nor a genius by any definition?

Are you saying that lying is acceptable if those doing the lying say that they honestly, truly believe what they’re saying? Because they way madness lies.

JKR in her tweet talks of people who are "pretending to believe these things". I feel this is not true for many people, who've uncritically accepted narratives like "born in the wrong body" and "female brain in a male body".

I'm saying there's a distinction between people knowingly lying, and those who genuinely believe something which is false. The latter is much more difficult to deal with - how can you change the mind of a true believer? It's often impossible.

That's why I feel that framing those who promote this ideology as liars who are pretending to believe it is a misstep. It's worse than this.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:49

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:48

And that’s the problem - mixed sex toilets don’t have them!

Yes, so I'm saying we should put them in!

BunburyInATizz · 04/05/2025 12:50

How predictable that a thread about JKR has transformed into delivering dopamine hits to a disrupter.

Women continue to be under siege socially and in the workplace even when the correctness of their arguments has been confirmed by the Supreme Court.

It’s plain the disrupters don’t engage in good faith but you think poorly of bystanders if you don’t think that they don’t know that.

Fordian · 04/05/2025 12:50

She’s amazing.

She could be sitting pretty in her Scottish castle, counting her money; but no, she’s chosen to defend those less able to do so, at personal cost to herself (though smokin’ a cigar on a yacht was genius!).

The snivelling little rats of TRA and their shameful #BeKind brainwashed sycophant handmaids are not fit to lick her boots.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:51

Medical Safety
If you feel nauseous or ill you are likely to head to the toilet. If you collapse, you are more likely to survive, or avoid suffering long-term damage, if someone notices and rescues you.

There are known medical reasons for a disproportionally high frequency of cardiac arrests and strokes while an individual is in the toilet room. There are no UK statistics that list where people collapse. However, it is known there are around 100,000 hospital admissions due to heart attacks in this country, equating to one every five minutes. It is estimated there are 400,000 people in the U.K. with undiagnosed heart failure. There are also around 100,000 strokes in this country, equating to one every five minutes. Around 1% of people in this country have epilepsy and around 80 people are diagnosed with epilepsy each day. There are many other conditions that lead to collapse where you need to be noticed and accessed quickly eg. diabetes and asthma.

To put figures into perspective for UK schools there are around 9 children with epilepsy in an average secondary school. There will be on average another 2-3 with Type 1 diabetes. Several hundred children are diagnosed with strokes each year. Every week on average 12 people under the age of 35 are lost to sudden cardiac death.

The DfE understands the important of quickly getting emergency help - it now expects all state funded schools to have at least one defibrillator on site because defibrillation can increase the survival rate by as much as 70%. But knowing the person has collapsed in the first place, and therefore getting help as quickly as possible, is vital.

Like wearing a car seatbelt, toilet door gaps can make the difference in those critical moments.

Governing bodies must ensure arrangements are in place to support pupils with medical conditions. Some children and staff, such as those with epilepsy, may be considered disabled under the definition set out in the Equality Act 2010, and governing bodies must comply with their duties under that Act. Pupils with medical conditions that may occasionally lead to collapse should have care plans. It has been known for these plans to specifically exclude the use of the enclosed disabled toilets for the very reason that no one would be alerted to a collapse. For example, for people with diabetes or epilepsy there can be a period of confusion pre-collapse, so the person’s awareness to pull an emergency cord is compromised. For these people, and for also for the safety of all those one-off medical emergencies, it is imperative that toilets should have door gaps.

NecessaryScene · 04/05/2025 12:51

she's also not the same as a regular man, imo.

That's a pretty narrow-minded definition of "regular man". How far do you extend this? Are gay men "not the same as a regular man"? Short men? Men called Keith? Men who like knitting? Men who pump themselves full of steroids for bodybuilding?

There are lots of unusual types of men. But none of those unusual types of men are women. Because they're all men.

Might I suggest broadening the bandwidth of how to be a man?

Seems like you need some more Magdalen Berns. Did you remember to take your last dose?

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StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:53

Wow, I look away for ten seconds and ten new posts show up. There's no way I can keep up.

I think that most TW are genuine and harmless, and I think that third spaces are the fairest way to go. With gaps for safety, like the toilet-safety poster says.

My position is simple to understand and fair to all. I think that forcing TW to use the bathroom of their bio sex is cruel and will result in them being attacked.

That is all.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:54

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:49

Yes, so I'm saying we should put them in!

Ok so campaign for them then in mixed sex toilets! Good luck with that.

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