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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:24

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 13:17

You might not be as pretty as her, but I bet you sure don't look like a man.

I actually laughed out loud at this. You're telling women that they're not as pretty as a man?

Really?

No. THAT poster said she wasn't as pretty as the Indian TW. She also assumed that the only reason that the Indian TW looks like a woman is because she's pretty, and therefore reasoned that since she is not pretty (according to her) then she must not be a woman.

I said that this isn't about prettiness, it's about looking female, and that even if she isn't as pretty as the Indian woman, I bet she sure looks female. Or doesn't look male. Same thing.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 13:24

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:20

Well, that Indian TW doesn't seem to have male pelvis, shoulders, hands and feet.

But if he was born a man, then at one point he would have had those, so where did his original male pelvis, shoulders, hands and feet go? Did he have them surgically replaced?

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2025 13:25

Cloudtime · 04/05/2025 13:11

Hilarious . You have just confirmed that you are indeed parroting things you’ve read and know nothing about.

I am a woman and have opinions too …… I just make sure mine are informed ones .

Transvestites are a totally different thing to Trans people.

You’re completely incorrect about surgery. There absolutely are those risks but there are MANY trans people who have had successful surgery with no complications and which have only enhanced their sex lives.

’suddenly seem to have appeared everywhere ‘ 😂😂😂 They’ve always been there ! You just didn’t know! Trans men pass so easily compared to trans women . Your ignorance is shocking .

I guess from your silence on it you’ve actually never felt threatened by a trans woman and couldn’t care less how masculine presenting women will be affected by this witch hunt ?

I imagine though you’re the kind of woman that ‘doesn’t like masc presenting women as they don’t fit your indoctrinated idea of what a woman should look like .

The article you’re parroting relates to children . That is not what is being discussed here

The article you’re parroting relates to children . That is not what is being discussed here

Children have been badly affected by the lie that people can change sex; and girls particularly affected by numerous recent policies intended to include males (who say/feel they are girls or women) in all circumstances in girls’ spaces.

miraxxx · 04/05/2025 13:25

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:20

Well, that Indian TW doesn't seem to have male pelvis, shoulders, hands and feet.

Most Indian TW - hijras- look very manly in their saris because they don't have access to hormones or surgery. Are they less trans? Dont be a bigot now.

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:26

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:46

She is 💯 correct in everything she’s said. She’s talking about the material reality of women and girls and the importance of defining biological sex.

You’re talking about feelings, and we shouldn’t make laws based on how some men feel in their heads. They’re not born in the wrong body, it’s a MH issue.

No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel that then leads them to wanting to transition. Talk about shallow thinking...!

JKR is wrong and has shown herself to be out of order a few times - transpeople have rights just like fenales do. Society hasn't yet sorted rights out. So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

And suddenly you're an expert saying wanting to transition is a MH issue?! Talk about minimising the issue!! Congrats, top of the class (not).

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:29

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 13:17

I sympathise with the difficulty of keeping up with this thread, like you say, you turn away for a few minutes and bang! ten more posts!

But if you post statements like
They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.
you are inevitably going to provoke a whole world of disagreement, StuckUpPrincess.
I realise that that can feel like a pile-on and I'm trying to keep my replies to you on an even keel but this is an incredible statement for any woman to make in the context of a discussion which includes sexual assault and rape.

How can you not know/ acknowledge that most assaults and rapes are carried out by men that we know, often that we know very very well because we live with them or are in the same family/friendship circle as them? This is 2025. There are decades of research and statistics to illustrate this.

The man who sexually abused me as a child did not lie in wait at night or break into my home - he groomed my parents into believing that as he was a friendly neighbour and a pillar of the local community, when he asked if I could come around every week to help his children with their schoolwork, he wanted me to come around every week to help his children with their schoolwork.
Guess what StuckUpPrincess? That's not what he wanted at all.

No lying in wait at night, no breaking into our house..

It's hard not to get upset, and even angry, at someone showing such a disregard for the truth about male violence against women.
I am upset, but I'm trying not to be angry.
Can you understand why making statements like that is going to provoke responses that you might find difficult to deal with?

I know that most assaults are committed by men we know. The context of saying what I did was the topic of strangers trying to gain access to women. As in, the idea that TW are being trans in order to get close to women in female spaces. That is, women they don't know. Following on from that, I said that if men want to attack women, they tend to lie in wait late at night for a lone woman to come along. The context of this discussion was specifically the ways and lengths men may or may not go to, in order to gain access to women they don't know.

Widening the discussion to include ALL types of sexual attacks, absolutely, it's overwhelmingly men we know. And I'm so sorry that you went through that. So, so sorry.

NotBadConsidering · 04/05/2025 13:30

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:26

No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel that then leads them to wanting to transition. Talk about shallow thinking...!

JKR is wrong and has shown herself to be out of order a few times - transpeople have rights just like fenales do. Society hasn't yet sorted rights out. So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

And suddenly you're an expert saying wanting to transition is a MH issue?! Talk about minimising the issue!! Congrats, top of the class (not).

Edited

Nothing JKR has said contradicts the law that trans people have protections under the EA, for the category of “gender reassignment”, as emphasised by Lord Hodge. She is well aware that they have issues, suffer discrimination and need protection, she is just strident in the belief that it shouldn’t be protection as women (when it comes to the trans identifying men).

Please give an example of JKR denying the idea that trans people have their own rights.

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:17

OK, but it looks like most of those men are self-ID, and I don't believe those are TW. They're just men in dresses.

What you are doing here is really dangerous for the people you profess to care about. You are telling them that if they take enough harmful medications, have enough life-altering surgery, spend enough on clothes and make-up then maybe, finally, they will pass enough for StuckUpPrincess to accept them as women. There are countless men online constantly posting photos and asking 'do I pass yet?'. You are actually feeding their hope that one day they will actually be women. You are being cruel

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 13:31

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:17

OK, but it looks like most of those men are self-ID, and I don't believe those are TW. They're just men in dresses.

Another question for you then.

How would you write a law that allows the “right”
kind of trans identifying man into women’s spaces, but keeps the “wrong” kind out? Keep in mind, you cannot have a law that forces people to have unwanted surgery or other medical procedures.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2025 13:32

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 13:26

No, I'm not talking about feelings Im talking about how trans people feel that then leads them to wanting to transition. Talk about shallow thinking...!

JKR is wrong and has shown herself to be out of order a few times - transpeople have rights just like fenales do. Society hasn't yet sorted rights out. So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

And suddenly you're an expert saying wanting to transition is a MH issue?! Talk about minimising the issue!! Congrats, top of the class (not).

Edited

So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

That’s what women have been saying all along, including JKR. Transactivists however have not.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:33

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:30

What you are doing here is really dangerous for the people you profess to care about. You are telling them that if they take enough harmful medications, have enough life-altering surgery, spend enough on clothes and make-up then maybe, finally, they will pass enough for StuckUpPrincess to accept them as women. There are countless men online constantly posting photos and asking 'do I pass yet?'. You are actually feeding their hope that one day they will actually be women. You are being cruel

But even when those men have had surgery StuckUpPrincess still rejects them as not being real transwomen because they don't look feminine enough.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:34

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:30

What you are doing here is really dangerous for the people you profess to care about. You are telling them that if they take enough harmful medications, have enough life-altering surgery, spend enough on clothes and make-up then maybe, finally, they will pass enough for StuckUpPrincess to accept them as women. There are countless men online constantly posting photos and asking 'do I pass yet?'. You are actually feeding their hope that one day they will actually be women. You are being cruel

I'm not being cruel to anyone. I don't interact with these people. I'm stating a truth, which is that hormones feminise or masculinise you, and that the more transitioning people do, the more they resemble their chosen sex. Those are just facts. To say I'm being cruel is to grotesquely distort what I meant. Everyone on the world knows that gender-confirming treatment makes you look like your chosen sex. That's why people do it!

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 13:34

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:29

I know that most assaults are committed by men we know. The context of saying what I did was the topic of strangers trying to gain access to women. As in, the idea that TW are being trans in order to get close to women in female spaces. That is, women they don't know. Following on from that, I said that if men want to attack women, they tend to lie in wait late at night for a lone woman to come along. The context of this discussion was specifically the ways and lengths men may or may not go to, in order to gain access to women they don't know.

Widening the discussion to include ALL types of sexual attacks, absolutely, it's overwhelmingly men we know. And I'm so sorry that you went through that. So, so sorry.

Thank you, I appreciate your words about what happened to meFlowers
There's still a lot I could argue with you about, but I'll stop at 'I appreciate your words' because .. well, just becauseSmile

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:35

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:33

But even when those men have had surgery StuckUpPrincess still rejects them as not being real transwomen because they don't look feminine enough.

Edited

You're fantasising. I would do no such thing.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:36

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:35

You're fantasising. I would do no such thing.

Edited

Two of the people in the photos that you said weren't transwomen are fully transitioned ie have had surgery and take hormones

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 13:36

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:24

No. THAT poster said she wasn't as pretty as the Indian TW. She also assumed that the only reason that the Indian TW looks like a woman is because she's pretty, and therefore reasoned that since she is not pretty (according to her) then she must not be a woman.

I said that this isn't about prettiness, it's about looking female, and that even if she isn't as pretty as the Indian woman, I bet she sure looks female. Or doesn't look male. Same thing.

I have been mistaken for a man. It happened quite a lot when I lived in a country where women tend to be smaller than me, and which has a lot of trans-identifying men. I could fascinate you with stories of my time there, but the relevant point is that 'femininity' is a moveable value and totally useless as a sex test.

Since the thread's ending, I'll cut in on everyone who's being really nice and patient with you. Everything you have written here is sexist, homophobic, transphobic, narrow-minded or ignorant. I'd love to believe you'll wise up at some point. For now, though, you're not even succeeding at being kind to so-called trans people. Good luck.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:36

I'll stop discussing, because I don't think that many posters are posting in good faith. They're just saying anything and everything because my beliefs don't align with theirs.

Have good days, all.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 13:37

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:36

I'll stop discussing, because I don't think that many posters are posting in good faith. They're just saying anything and everything because my beliefs don't align with theirs.

Have good days, all.

Anyone else’s irony meter just explode?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:38

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:36

Two of the people in the photos that you said weren't transwomen are fully transitioned ie have had surgery and take hormones

I offered no opinion on anyone in those photos.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 13:38

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:17

OK, but it looks like most of those men are self-ID, and I don't believe those are TW. They're just men in dresses.

And remember gender neutral spaces aren’t safe because of men too:
https://youtube.com/shorts/JUwe-eL4ryk?si=pnlklgKK0_g7v7If

Trying to keep toilets safe for everyone!

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/JUwe-eL4ryk?si=pnlklgKK0_g7v7If

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:38

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:19

The only reason I think TW should have third spaces is because many women object to sharing with TW. I'd be happy to share with them myself, but I appreciate that not everyone feels that way, and I wouldn't want them to be uncomfortable. So if I was queen for a day, I'd do the third spaces.

We have been asking for third spaces for over a decade. They are finally happening.

However, you still consider it is ‘cruel’ that male people are excluded from female single sex spaces. yet, I don’t believe you have ever considered why they should be. You have emotionally reacted and name called JK Rowling without you, personally, understanding the situation with any depth.

You seemed to not understand even how some female people use the single sex toilets. Why privacy and safety is important to them.

You have an extreme romanticised view about what male transitioners look like based on filtered and heavily curated photos, while never understanding that female people are highly likely to correctly identify a person’s sex by fundamental and unchangable aspects of a male body. Movement and skeletal aspects.

You also don’t seem to understand that there is a group of male people who would absolutely go through body modifications to get access to female single sex spaces. They are all over social media with their self published pornography and their statements about how being treated as a female is treated is a sexual thrill for them.

There are more inconsistencies in your position than this. If this thread makes you stop and absorb the fact that you are vilifying a woman and the Supreme Court with so little understanding about the topic, then maybe that will be some positive out of it.

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:38

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:34

I'm not being cruel to anyone. I don't interact with these people. I'm stating a truth, which is that hormones feminise or masculinise you, and that the more transitioning people do, the more they resemble their chosen sex. Those are just facts. To say I'm being cruel is to grotesquely distort what I meant. Everyone on the world knows that gender-confirming treatment makes you look like your chosen sex. That's why people do it!

I would not mind betting that you are interacting with several of those people right now, lurking on mumsnet.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:38

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:36

I'll stop discussing, because I don't think that many posters are posting in good faith. They're just saying anything and everything because my beliefs don't align with theirs.

Have good days, all.

In case you think I'm making it up the two fully transitioned people in those pictures are kellie malone and Heather Herbert

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 13:39

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2025 13:32

So rather than say it's all about females, how about we protect females whilst seeking the right societal rules for trans people? That's where she is wrong.

That’s what women have been saying all along, including JKR. Transactivists however have not.

Quite. Women have said 'can we have one single sex rape crisis service alongside the myriad of mixed sex and specialised groups for trans/non binary people?' and have faced rape and death threats and been told that they are bigots by their First Minister.

There has been no compromise entertained by TRA's. It has been comply or else (the NHS Fife case being a perfect example). Now women's rights have been clarified as having always been the case, it's all howls of 'but what about us?!' from TRA's.

Where was this concern about women?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:39

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 13:36

I have been mistaken for a man. It happened quite a lot when I lived in a country where women tend to be smaller than me, and which has a lot of trans-identifying men. I could fascinate you with stories of my time there, but the relevant point is that 'femininity' is a moveable value and totally useless as a sex test.

Since the thread's ending, I'll cut in on everyone who's being really nice and patient with you. Everything you have written here is sexist, homophobic, transphobic, narrow-minded or ignorant. I'd love to believe you'll wise up at some point. For now, though, you're not even succeeding at being kind to so-called trans people. Good luck.

I strongly disagree with your last para. I think I'm a fair and reasonable person who would, if I were in power, do everything I could to accommodate everyone.

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