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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 13:09

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

But you must know because you said, and I quote;

"People who have fully transitioned look extremely different from people who have had no transition at all. That's how you can tell"

So based on your strong assertion, which of those three are fully transitioned (your version of fully transitioned to make it fair)

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:10

@Helleofabore Thanks for postiong that again. There are way more posts than I can keep up with - like, ten to every one of mine.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2025 13:10

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 13:01

Statistics actually s suggest that there is actually a higher percentage of sex offenders in the trans population than there are in the 'normal' population.

A 2012 Swedish long term follow up study found that transsexual males (they had had surgery and hormones) retained male patterns of criminal offending.

In this study, male-to-female individuals had a higher risk for criminal convictions compared to female controls but not compared to male controls.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043071/

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043071/

Cloudtime · 04/05/2025 13:11

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 11:19

‘You are very vocal about this topic and I would like to assume that you have at least some knowledge or experience rather than just parroting some opinions you’ve read’

Scold, scold, scold, how dare women have opinions eh? I grew up around two transvestites, as they were called then, and I worked with one. Not one of them expected anyone to believe they were women, didn’t use women’s facilities and as such posed no problem. However, I find I am able to have opinions on all sorts of subjects of which I have no experience, don’t you?

Any sort of surgery of this nature is barbaric and completely unnecessary, and on the whole leaves people at a hideous disadvantage with lifelong medical issues and reduced or non existent sexual function.

TM can obviously use women’s facilities because they’re women, including the six foot, bearded, body building TM that suddenly seem to have appeared everywhere, and everyone has as friends.

I take my lead from biological facts, and it is an undisputed fact that people can’t change sex, asking women to acquiesce to this misogynistic, regressive, homophobic ideology is harmful and dangerous.

Here’s a bit of reading for you, he’s the sort of expert I listen to, because he uses facts not hyperbole.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/02/tavistock-trust-whistleblower-david-bell-transgender-children-gids

Hilarious . You have just confirmed that you are indeed parroting things you’ve read and know nothing about.

I am a woman and have opinions too …… I just make sure mine are informed ones .

Transvestites are a totally different thing to Trans people.

You’re completely incorrect about surgery. There absolutely are those risks but there are MANY trans people who have had successful surgery with no complications and which have only enhanced their sex lives.

’suddenly seem to have appeared everywhere ‘ 😂😂😂 They’ve always been there ! You just didn’t know! Trans men pass so easily compared to trans women . Your ignorance is shocking .

I guess from your silence on it you’ve actually never felt threatened by a trans woman and couldn’t care less how masculine presenting women will be affected by this witch hunt ?

I imagine though you’re the kind of woman that ‘doesn’t like masc presenting women as they don’t fit your indoctrinated idea of what a woman should look like .

The article you’re parroting relates to children . That is not what is being discussed here

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 13:12

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:06

You only look like the opposite sex if you undergo long hormone treatment, change your appearance entirely, get breast implants, and if you're a man, remove that bulge between your legs. I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces. Taking irrevocable steps to feminise themselves to commit crime is just not something that regular men would ever do. They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.

The men in this picture have 'transitioned' at various different stages but all declare themselves to be women. Under the Stonewall umbrella, all are trans (acceptance without question being that particular manta) and under self ID were allowed (nay, encouraged) to access female single sex services.

In the case of Andrew Miller (Amy George), he lured a child into a car because the child believed he was a woman.

And the whole 'male attackers wouldn't go through all that trouble', Shona Robison made herself look a fool by declaring that.

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:13

Cloudtime · 04/05/2025 13:11

Hilarious . You have just confirmed that you are indeed parroting things you’ve read and know nothing about.

I am a woman and have opinions too …… I just make sure mine are informed ones .

Transvestites are a totally different thing to Trans people.

You’re completely incorrect about surgery. There absolutely are those risks but there are MANY trans people who have had successful surgery with no complications and which have only enhanced their sex lives.

’suddenly seem to have appeared everywhere ‘ 😂😂😂 They’ve always been there ! You just didn’t know! Trans men pass so easily compared to trans women . Your ignorance is shocking .

I guess from your silence on it you’ve actually never felt threatened by a trans woman and couldn’t care less how masculine presenting women will be affected by this witch hunt ?

I imagine though you’re the kind of woman that ‘doesn’t like masc presenting women as they don’t fit your indoctrinated idea of what a woman should look like .

The article you’re parroting relates to children . That is not what is being discussed here

Up until very recently stonewall specifically included cross dressers under the trans umbrella

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:13

I think people are reading all kinds of things into my posts that simply aren't there. My position is easy to understand.

I believe that TW are genuine and that most of them are harmless.
I think women should have their own spaces and transpeople should have theirs.

miraxxx · 04/05/2025 13:14

Transvestites are a totally different thing to Trans people.

Someone call the the trans police quick. This poster has committed trans genocide!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 13:14

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 13:04

It's not "transphobic", it's avoiding incoherent and unworkable legislation, regulations, and policies. Para 210 of the ruling contains: "an interpretation of sex based on certificated sex would render the EA 2010 incoherent and unworkable".

You're Jewish, with the Torah and Talmud and halaka governing your spiritual and mundane life, so surely you recognise the importance of correct interpretation of the law?

Why doesn't the argument set out by the sages in Babylonian Talmud 75a apply to ttrans-identifying men? Their comfort isn't women's problem to fix.

I missed "Sanhedrin" from that Talmud reference.

Beachcomber · 04/05/2025 13:15

I know the thread has moved on now but my goodness the using of Simone de Beauvoir to try to legitimise genderism is woefully ignorant.

De Beauvoir is not saying that anyone can become a woman by acting womanly. Or that girls only become women by acting womanly and they wouldn't become women if they didn't act womanly.

She's saying that acting womanly is enforced on girls by male dominated societies.

She's saying that females are born human in the same way as males but then male dominated society shapes them into being "other" aka "women" aka "lesser".

Simply put she is arguing that girls are not born inferior to boys. That women are not born to serve and to submit to men. It is an argument against essentialism / male as default human / female as other. It is an argument against man as superior and woman as inferior being a natural order. It is an argument against gender as a caste system which socialises girls into becoming second class citizens and boys into believing that is the natural and rightful existence of girls.

The clue is in the title of the book.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:15

I'm seeing that there are many posts with stats about transwomen attacking women. I will read them a bit later, but I have to go out now.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:16

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:06

You only look like the opposite sex if you undergo long hormone treatment, change your appearance entirely, get breast implants, and if you're a man, remove that bulge between your legs. I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces. Taking irrevocable steps to feminise themselves to commit crime is just not something that regular men would ever do. They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.

I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces.

Do you understand that is a group of male people who are sexually aroused by the thought of them being seen as female. And who even publish statements about how this is arousing for them?

Surely you understand that there is most definitely a group who are doing this already. There is even a self published porn category with those very male people masturbating in female single sex spaces?

TheKeeperOfTissues · 04/05/2025 13:16

As I went to share this amazing tweet (I'm not on there anymore because of the madness and was going to share via a messaging app) and realised I am not sure who I feel really ok to send it to 🤷🏻‍♀️😔
I have lost friends over this shit.
Decided just to reread it for myself and be happy in knowledge there are some amazing people out there doing great things 💜

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 13:17

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:13

Up until very recently stonewall specifically included cross dressers under the trans umbrella

Indeed. And the interesting question is, why did they take them out?🤔

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 13:17

You might not be as pretty as her, but I bet you sure don't look like a man.

I actually laughed out loud at this. You're telling women that they're not as pretty as a man?

Really?

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 13:17

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:06

You only look like the opposite sex if you undergo long hormone treatment, change your appearance entirely, get breast implants, and if you're a man, remove that bulge between your legs. I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces. Taking irrevocable steps to feminise themselves to commit crime is just not something that regular men would ever do. They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.

I sympathise with the difficulty of keeping up with this thread, like you say, you turn away for a few minutes and bang! ten more posts!

But if you post statements like
They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.
you are inevitably going to provoke a whole world of disagreement, StuckUpPrincess.
I realise that that can feel like a pile-on and I'm trying to keep my replies to you on an even keel but this is an incredible statement for any woman to make in the context of a discussion which includes sexual assault and rape.

How can you not know/ acknowledge that most assaults and rapes are carried out by men that we know, often that we know very very well because we live with them or are in the same family/friendship circle as them? This is 2025. There are decades of research and statistics to illustrate this.

The man who sexually abused me as a child did not lie in wait at night or break into my home - he groomed my parents into believing that as he was a friendly neighbour and a pillar of the local community, when he asked if I could come around every week to help his children with their schoolwork, he wanted me to come around every week to help his children with their schoolwork.
Guess what StuckUpPrincess? That's not what he wanted at all.

No lying in wait at night, no breaking into our house..

It's hard not to get upset, and even angry, at someone showing such a disregard for the truth about male violence against women.
I am upset, but I'm trying not to be angry.
Can you understand why making statements like that is going to provoke responses that you might find difficult to deal with?

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:17

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:13

I think people are reading all kinds of things into my posts that simply aren't there. My position is easy to understand.

I believe that TW are genuine and that most of them are harmless.
I think women should have their own spaces and transpeople should have theirs.

And then you miss the part where you declared JK Rowling and the Supreme Court transphobic for wanting what you have just posted!

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:17

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 13:12

The men in this picture have 'transitioned' at various different stages but all declare themselves to be women. Under the Stonewall umbrella, all are trans (acceptance without question being that particular manta) and under self ID were allowed (nay, encouraged) to access female single sex services.

In the case of Andrew Miller (Amy George), he lured a child into a car because the child believed he was a woman.

And the whole 'male attackers wouldn't go through all that trouble', Shona Robison made herself look a fool by declaring that.

Edited

OK, but it looks like most of those men are self-ID, and I don't believe those are TW. They're just men in dresses.

Igmum · 04/05/2025 13:17

FOJN · 03/05/2025 22:27

Could you please take your trantrum elsewhere, your mum isn't here.

Actually his mum probably is here, having just sat down with a well earned cuppa for a bit of quiet terfing. Don’t worry Mrs Facts, there are some sane people in the world still.

And yes, brilliant job JKR you just rise and rise ❤️❤️❤️

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 13:17

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:06

You only look like the opposite sex if you undergo long hormone treatment, change your appearance entirely, get breast implants, and if you're a man, remove that bulge between your legs. I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces. Taking irrevocable steps to feminise themselves to commit crime is just not something that regular men would ever do. They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.

And even then you don't look like a woman because of pelvis, shoulders, hands, feet, Adam's apple, and gait.

Igmum · 04/05/2025 13:19

@StuckUpPrincessaccording to Stonewall men in dresses are trans. This is as bad as Nicola Sturgeon trying to claim that Isla Bryson/Adam Graham wasn’t really trans. On what basis? How do you differentiate?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:19

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:17

And then you miss the part where you declared JK Rowling and the Supreme Court transphobic for wanting what you have just posted!

The only reason I think TW should have third spaces is because many women object to sharing with TW. I'd be happy to share with them myself, but I appreciate that not everyone feels that way, and I wouldn't want them to be uncomfortable. So if I was queen for a day, I'd do the third spaces.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:20

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 13:17

And even then you don't look like a woman because of pelvis, shoulders, hands, feet, Adam's apple, and gait.

Well, that Indian TW doesn't seem to have male pelvis, shoulders, hands and feet.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:22

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:17

OK, but it looks like most of those men are self-ID, and I don't believe those are TW. They're just men in dresses.

At least two of those men have " fully transitioned "

JazzyJelly · 04/05/2025 13:23

Genuinely an inspiration. If she can do this, I can do this.

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