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JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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KnottyAuty · 04/05/2025 12:54

woolens · 04/05/2025 12:49

JKR in her tweet talks of people who are "pretending to believe these things". I feel this is not true for many people, who've uncritically accepted narratives like "born in the wrong body" and "female brain in a male body".

I'm saying there's a distinction between people knowingly lying, and those who genuinely believe something which is false. The latter is much more difficult to deal with - how can you change the mind of a true believer? It's often impossible.

That's why I feel that framing those who promote this ideology as liars who are pretending to believe it is a misstep. It's worse than this.

She is entitled to her opinion though. God knows she has had to listen to everyone else's?!

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:56

Woohoo! @Keeptoiletssafe

Between you and me we have managed to again claw back being ‘allowed’ to have female single sex toilets with the typical shared wash configuration AND keep the gaps under the doors!

Isn’t it remarkable how many people simply would remove it all to give some men what they deeply deeply want?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:57

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 12:46

I don't look 'feminine' and would never make the finals of a beauty contest Confused Does this mean I'm not a woman? Advice urgently needed!

The fact that TW often look feminised has nothing to do with your looks or your standing as a woman. That's an illogical response. It's a fact that they look feminised - that's the purpose of the hormone treatment, to look feminised. Her degree of beauty and therefore inclusion in the contest is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact that she passes as a woman, thanks to her medical treatment. No one in their right mind would look at that photo and think it was a man.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 12:57

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:19

Penis and testes removed, breast implants, and longterm oestrogen therapy that's enough to feminise the man. We have all seen photographs of men post-therapy who look just like women.

Like this one: Navya Singh, a TW and competitor in Miss Universe India.

(Still unsure how you can tell just by looking at their fully clothed body as they walk past you that someone has had their penis and testes removed but anyway)

So, just by looking, which of these is a fully transitioned, feminine, transwoman?

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 12:57

Booboobagins · 04/05/2025 12:36

JKR is not 100% correct though is she?

There are people who feel like they are the wrong sex and want to transition to change this. They are not all criminals and rapists. Scientifically/medically there may be greater understanding of this soon but I feel we're not quite there - some people think it's a form of dystopia, but that i's not yet a conclusive diagnosis.

Yes women's rights need protecting, but so does people who really fwel they are the wrong sexand want to transition. What we don't yet have is create the legislation and environment to make this safe for women and transmen. This should be the focus of all efforts alongside diagnosis and treatment options.

We do need to stop allowing children to medically transition though.

Dystopia is the wrong word, yet also, somehow, exactly the right one.

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 12:58

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:27

Yes. Posters are saying that trans women who rape women are being referred to in the press as women. If that's so, why am I not reading news stories about women attacking women? Meaning not bio women attacking bio women, but trans women being reported as women...attacking women. Why aren't I reading about woman-on-woman sex crime, if there are so many TW offenders and they are being reported merely as women, not TW?

Thank you for replying to my question about 'woman-on-woman rape'. I now understand that you are referring to transwomen, i.e. men, who rape women.

There have been many cases, reported in the press, where biologically male sex attackers were referred to as 'she', even by the judge. The Equal Treatment Bench Book had to be amended to make it clear that in cases where the biological sex of the accused was at the centre of a case, the accused should be referred to as a male.

The answer to your question
Why aren't I reading about woman-on-woman sex crime, if there are so many TW offenders and they are being reported merely as women, not TW?
is one that can only be answered by knowing what your reading habits are.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:58

woolens · 04/05/2025 12:49

JKR in her tweet talks of people who are "pretending to believe these things". I feel this is not true for many people, who've uncritically accepted narratives like "born in the wrong body" and "female brain in a male body".

I'm saying there's a distinction between people knowingly lying, and those who genuinely believe something which is false. The latter is much more difficult to deal with - how can you change the mind of a true believer? It's often impossible.

That's why I feel that framing those who promote this ideology as liars who are pretending to believe it is a misstep. It's worse than this.

You change their mind by stopping the affirmation, by explaining to them that unfortunately they have been lied to by unscrupulous people who never had their best interests at heart. We cannot allow this to continue and calling out the liars has to be a big part of that.

For some it’s going to take a boatload of therapy, but they have to know that their beliefs are built on lies or how will they ever move forward?

This has to be called out for what it is, a giant lie.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 12:57

(Still unsure how you can tell just by looking at their fully clothed body as they walk past you that someone has had their penis and testes removed but anyway)

So, just by looking, which of these is a fully transitioned, feminine, transwoman?

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 12:59

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:57

The fact that TW often look feminised has nothing to do with your looks or your standing as a woman. That's an illogical response. It's a fact that they look feminised - that's the purpose of the hormone treatment, to look feminised. Her degree of beauty and therefore inclusion in the contest is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact that she passes as a woman, thanks to her medical treatment. No one in their right mind would look at that photo and think it was a man.

Edited

So we're rewarding men with access to female single sex spaces as long as they can (debatably) disguise themselves well enough?

That doesn't feel troublesome to you, at all?

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:59

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:56

Woohoo! @Keeptoiletssafe

Between you and me we have managed to again claw back being ‘allowed’ to have female single sex toilets with the typical shared wash configuration AND keep the gaps under the doors!

Isn’t it remarkable how many people simply would remove it all to give some men what they deeply deeply want?

Yes I have listened to everyone, got the stats, had personal experience of what happens when you’ve got good design and bad design, got loads of research.

I want to keep everyone safe. I have yet to find a better argument for any different design. I keep listening!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:59

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 12:57

Dystopia is the wrong word, yet also, somehow, exactly the right one.

A Freudian slip indeed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 13:01

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

There are many men who “transition” who are never going to pass as women, given all the hormones and surgery in the world.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 13:01

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:53

Wow, I look away for ten seconds and ten new posts show up. There's no way I can keep up.

I think that most TW are genuine and harmless, and I think that third spaces are the fairest way to go. With gaps for safety, like the toilet-safety poster says.

My position is simple to understand and fair to all. I think that forcing TW to use the bathroom of their bio sex is cruel and will result in them being attacked.

That is all.

Statistics actually s suggest that there is actually a higher percentage of sex offenders in the trans population than there are in the 'normal' population.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 13:02

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

That really isn't true in the vast majority of cases.

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 13:03

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:57

The fact that TW often look feminised has nothing to do with your looks or your standing as a woman. That's an illogical response. It's a fact that they look feminised - that's the purpose of the hormone treatment, to look feminised. Her degree of beauty and therefore inclusion in the contest is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact that she passes as a woman, thanks to her medical treatment. No one in their right mind would look at that photo and think it was a man.

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It's logical in light of the standard you proposed. This chap's a legitimate woman, according to you, BECAUSE he's all feminine and pretty.

That's your definition of a genuine woman, and it doesn't include me.

... Or are you saying your criteria only apply to biologically male people?
I imagine you can see the world of problems that creates.

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 13:03

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

You know that expression 'a hostage to fortune'?

Well I think the statement
Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex
is a hostage to fortune because it could produce a blizzard of photos of men who have 'transitioned' and most definitely do NOT look like women!

Blueuggboots · 04/05/2025 13:03

I love her. My (F, SS relationship!) partner is totally believing that TWAW and we don’t discuss it because I’m heavily opposed to it but JKR nails it as usual…..

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 13:04

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:27

No, I'm not. I've said all along that I'm OK with sharing with TW who have transitioned. I've never said I'm OK sharing with men who self-ID - in fact, much earlier in this thread I said that I disagree with self-ID. But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

It's not "transphobic", it's avoiding incoherent and unworkable legislation, regulations, and policies. Para 210 of the ruling contains: "an interpretation of sex based on certificated sex would render the EA 2010 incoherent and unworkable".

You're Jewish, with the Torah and Talmud and halaka governing your spiritual and mundane life, so surely you recognise the importance of correct interpretation of the law?

Why doesn't the argument set out by the sages in Babylonian Talmud 75a apply to ttrans-identifying men? Their comfort isn't women's problem to fix.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 13:04

Lots of autogynephiles actually go the 'whole hog'and have their genitalia removed and apply for a GRC....it doesn't mean they look like women.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 13:05

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:59

I've no idea. Once someone has transitioned, they look like their new sex, thanks to the feminising or masculinising effects of the hormone treatment.

You think transition means surgery and hormones. You also say once transitioned people look like their new sex. To me that suggests that you can tell who has transitioned by their appearance so you should be able to tell which of those people have transitioned from their appearance.

Or am I wrong and it's actually impossible to tell if a man has transitioned based on appearance alone.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:06

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 12:59

So we're rewarding men with access to female single sex spaces as long as they can (debatably) disguise themselves well enough?

That doesn't feel troublesome to you, at all?

You only look like the opposite sex if you undergo long hormone treatment, change your appearance entirely, get breast implants, and if you're a man, remove that bulge between your legs. I do not believe that regular men would totally feminise their bodies like this just to gain access to women's spaces. Taking irrevocable steps to feminise themselves to commit crime is just not something that regular men would ever do. They'd do what male attackers have always done - lie in wait late at night or break in to someone's home.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 13:06

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 12:16

So, this is slightly off track, but:

Is there anything, any evidence at all, that anyone in the world could point to, that would make you change your mind? Because people have been providing evidence left, right and centre, and you dismiss it as “not something you have ever seen and/or heard of.”

What I mean is, you have clearly made up your mind based only on things that you have personally seen and heard. You do not seem to want to acknowledge that other people have seen and heard different things. So, is there anything that anyone could say here that would make you change your mind? Or would you have to personally experience being raped by a trans woman in a single-sex women’s hospital ward, and be told by the hospital that you couldn’t have been raped because there were no men in the ward?

I just don’t understand how you can profess to be the religion that I presume you are, and have so little compassion for other people.

This is an excellent point.
And it is a good tactic for when, for example, talking to a creationist from the perspective of an evolutionist. What evidence is it that you actually want?
But, ultimately, you'll never get anywhere because they always, always want the Crocoduck.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 13:07

@StuckUpPrincess
Think how you can make this work (I haven’t come up with a solution other than everyone uses single sex toilets):
https://youtube.com/shorts/JUwe-eL4ryk?si=pnlklgKK0_g7v7If

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/JUwe-eL4ryk?si=pnlklgKK0_g7v7If

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 13:08

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:53

Wow, I look away for ten seconds and ten new posts show up. There's no way I can keep up.

I think that most TW are genuine and harmless, and I think that third spaces are the fairest way to go. With gaps for safety, like the toilet-safety poster says.

My position is simple to understand and fair to all. I think that forcing TW to use the bathroom of their bio sex is cruel and will result in them being attacked.

That is all.

just for you again.

Because you make statements about ‘most TW being genuine and harmless’.

The significance of the stats is - it is irrelevant that ‘most’ are harmless, just like ‘most’ men are harmless.

For anyone who wants to know what should be considered for evaluating risk of this sub group of males to show that they have a risk level not less than any other male in the UK of committing sex crime, have a read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK

Firstly, This was a question answered earlier this year:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.
Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024

Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.
Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was

40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime, at ANY STAGE OF TRANSITION.

FOI 240322022 Annex A.xlsx

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/population_of_transgender_offend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 13:08

GarlicPile · 04/05/2025 13:03

It's logical in light of the standard you proposed. This chap's a legitimate woman, according to you, BECAUSE he's all feminine and pretty.

That's your definition of a genuine woman, and it doesn't include me.

... Or are you saying your criteria only apply to biologically male people?
I imagine you can see the world of problems that creates.

It's not about her level of prettiness, it's about the fact that she looks female. You might not be as pretty as her, but I bet you sure don't look like a man.

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