Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

The most appalling abuse I have seen online has been from TRAs aimed at GC women. Sandie Peggie has had her appearance mocked, called ugly, and missexed deliberately in a childish attempt to denigrate her by TRAs on Reddit and TwiX.

I agree with you that people shouldn't be abused. One of the drivers of the abuse of your friends that you described is what this forum calls "not womanning properly". Failure or inability to maintain a feminine appearance is an example of "not womanning properly" that attracts abuse. terfisaslur.com is full of examples of TRAs slagging off GC women's appearances. Gender ideology, in which "woman" is a performance, is fertiliser to the soil of patriarchy in which this form of misogyny flourishes.

GC feminists believe that it is not how you look that makes you a woman, but the physical attributes of the body associated with reproductive function. We are not the ones suggesting that it's OK to bully a woman for looking "mannish"!

I think that the first reply to this thread was misunderstood. If I am faced with a choice between 1) men walking into women's loos unchallenged and 2) the occasional woman having the police called on her because she is mistaken for a man, I'll take option (2). If I have more options other than those two, I will take a more sensible one if it's available. It's not bullying or abusive to call the police if you sincerely suspect that someone is committing a crime.

I am mindful that Arizona permits people to literally walk around with firearms hidden under their clothes, so what look like sensible options to this Brit, like having two female staff enter the loos to check the situation out before calling the police, may not work in Arizona. I would argue that the problem there isn't women wanting single-sex spaces, it's people walking around packing heat.

Imagine what a man with a concealed firearm could do to a woman or girl inside that loo... Assuming that the story is true (and again, some details don't add up, like her flashing her tits or bra to prove her sex and the police arriving whilst she is still in there (were they parked outside eating doughnuts to turn up so fast?)), I sympathise with the lesbian. But faced with the alternative being a man with a pistol walking in unchallenged to a loo where a girl could be present alone, I'll take the risk of being challenged and the police called if I ever use a loo in Arizona.

Problem here is man choosing to abuse and dox your friend and female right-winger not fact-checking.

If you don't think you or your kids are at risk of men who say they are trans, can you answer me this @Bunny44?

How does one tell the difference between a nasty man and a trans woman who has no nefarious intent?

@Bunny44

In Parliament it was discussed that there was at least 1 rape inside a school premises each day (over 600 in a 3 year period). The data, collected by the BBC, mentions an example occurring in a private cupboard. This was in 2015, before many schools decided to change their toilet designs to fully enclosed and mixed sex. The toilet door gaps are vital for safeguarding. The new school designs have a ‘gender-neutral’ toilet on each floor, fully enclosed for privacy .

There is no available data on these new toilet designs but, teachers and pupils are now reporting many problems with ‘drug dealing, drinking and dirt’. In one newspaper article, school staff reported, ‘Kids would go in there to have sex, to drink alcohol. They’d push other kids in and lock themselves in with them. They’d block the drains and flood the corridor.” Another responded: “The toilets were really smelly and unpleasant. Because they were fully enclosed spaces they weren’t properly ventilated, and harder to clean.”
One teacher was worried someone could collapse unnoticed in a completely enclosed cubicle. They said: “The CCTV in the corridor was only any good retrospectively. The toilets had turn locks, so you could open them from the outside if you needed to, but you couldn’t hear through the door, couldn’t see whether there was one or two people in there, or if someone had collapsed.”

This is a FOI regarding Essex schools:
https://www.essex.police.uk/foi-ai/essex-police/other-information/previous-foi-requests/sexual-offences-committed-at-schools/

Big numbers start from 4 years of age. We need to safeguard as much as possible. Which sometimes means some people get inconvenienced.

Too many of them tell us it is their fantasy though. And these videos were male people with transgender identities self publishing their content.

If they are not enacting their own fantasies and publishing them, who do you think they are appealing to?

Are we not to listen to male people with transgender identities when they don’t fit your perception of what is the typical experience of a male person with a transgender identity based on your how you perceive your friend’s lives?

Saw the complaints about me having a life (albeit one full of chores) and not replying 😂. Nursery run, then work, then pick up, then dinner, then bath, then bed. Sorry I'm not available all day to have this discussion 😆

Mentioning cats or mentioning “transwomen”?

The cats aren’t usually wanking and you don’t get cat porn, just because you mention cats.

Very few gender critical posters ever mention genitalia (with one or two noteable exceptions).

Women are sent those porn images as a punishment for arguing that men should not be in women’s spaces.

It’s a feature, not a bug.

We have had posters post on threads that their teenagers are reporting sex happening in mixed sex cubicles in secondary school.

Porn is a representation of the desires of the beholder not the one doing the acts... That's why women are over the internet doing stuff we know they don't enjoy.

Which trans people are telling you their fantasies?

Yes I know. I know someone’s child (11) didn’t want to go into the toilet cubicle because they knew others had been having sex in there.

Who would have thought having a mixed sex private space would lead to teenagers doing that?!

Do you have specific evidence that male people with transgender identities are not posting their own fantasies that they are engaging in? Or was this just a general observation based on a group that is not that of male people with transgender identities?

If a loo is private enough for a shag, it's private enough to rape someone.

If we rolled out policy based on the answer to that question, men wouldn't be allowed out the house, anywhere.

A very steep slippery slope there.

Which is why a store cupboard and a disabled toilet were the places listed in the past for these offences in schools.

Tbh it sounds like he's very deliberately built up this dubious narrative of being a poor innocent victim. His explanation of why he uses the women's toilets says it all really: women who object to his intrusion are harassers, whereas he needs it for his safety despite no indication he'd actually be unsafe in the men's.

And on the flip side, this is the sort of conversation these men have with each other in their own forums.

Given the video, I’m guessing some of it happened, but I would strongly suspect that this was entirely set up, by transactivists.

The article makes it clear that the lesbian has accused staff of calling the police, without any evidence given.

She also said that she assumed the staff member thought she was transgender. Why would she assume that if not paranoia or activism? The normal assumption would be that the staff member thought she was a man.

Then there’s the fact that the staff allegedly called police, who came in time to find the woman still in the cubicle using the toilet. Realistically, they’re unlikely to get there that fast. It’s an amazing coincidence if they were right outside the store.

And that’s without taking into consideration all the extraneous details about ex girlfriends, friendly tampon sharing and showing breasts. It sounds more like a male fantasy than true happenings in a women’s toilets.

Why would anyone flashing (her breasts) at a police officer expect this to “bring the ordeal to an end” or whatever the phrase was? If I flashed a police officer, I wouldn’t expect it to cause them to disengage. I’d expect them to potentially see it as an aggressive or lewd act.

Given she could have objected to being targeted for being black or lesbian, and used this to object to that, she chose this incident to target GC women. And that is something transactivists enjoy very much.

@Bunny44 what are your opinions on my posts?

This is all very common, isn’t it?

How many males with transgender identities have made this type of argument here on MN in the past? There are numerous each year. They declare that they are unsafe in the men’s, they acknowledge that their presence may cause distress female people in the female single sex toilets but are not about to leave the female toilets.

Because they don’t act in anyway that is respectful towards female people collectively.

It's not 'distracting' to talk about one type of abuse that happens as well as all the other types of abuse that happens.

Sadly, there is plenty of abuse out there, and it all needs confronted. All of it is doing harm. Ignoring the harm done by transwomen doesn't help women.

What about the transwoman who sexually assaulted me?

He was 100% the perpetrator. Why does your experience count but mine doesn't matter?

I'm sure that some men are sexually attracted to other men who pretend to be women.

But the idea that they are vulnerable because of it or are more vulnerable than others who men are attracted to - women, teenagers or children, is delusional.

We simply cannot normalise men in female spaces because it put the most vulnerable - women and children at risk. I cant believe adult men are fooling so many people with the claim that their perceived saftey is worth risking child and womens safeguarding.

Nope, based on the story sounding like made-up nonsense.

There is zero evidence presented that a GC member of staff called the police. Much more likely that this is yet another incident deliberately created by trans activists on the grounds that genuine incidents of GC women causing problems, doxxing others or objecting to lesbians in toilets are so rare that transactivists have begun to make things up,

I am sure that it is just a timing issue?

Once the googling is finished we will get the standard TWAW but not those TW reply

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She also said she was harassed in the women's toilets by a woman once for using them

Your friend was in the wrong place. The female toilets are for women. They were the one doing the harassing.