Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Andrea Long Chu, for starters in this video, where Mary Cate Delvey reads out Reddit posts from TW.

But AGP is a lie and it's not a fetish, honest.

He was 100% the perpetrator. Why does your experience count but mine doesn't matter?

It's not even a first hand experience, it's some male's. This poster is just handwaving away lazily because it suits their argument.

Yes it's unsettling how they all read off the same script, trying to manipulate with the same arguments, while trying to distract from the same misogyny that underlies it all.

True.

Yes it's unsettling how they all read off the same script, trying to manipulate with the same arguments, while trying to distract from the same misogyny

And they all make arguments that they've twisted to gaslight so much that they don't make any sense. Disordered thinking.

Indeed.

If we rolled out policy based on the answer to that question, men wouldn't be allowed out the house, anywhere.

And yet. Based on male patterns of committing sex offences and the need for female people to have privacy and dignity away from the opposite sex, male people have been excluded from female single sex spaces.

So, based on the actions of some male people, all male people are treated the same as those who are responsible for harm to female people. It is rather like they are not allowed anywhere that they have the most potential to cause harm. This is reasonable.

Of course, it is not reasonable to exclude male people from all aspects of life.

Of course, it is not reasonable to exclude male people from all aspects of life.

Are you sure?

Well…

Now, why wouldn't we want TW in the ladies' loos?

Perhaps it's because we can't tell the difference between your friend and the TW whose Reddit posts detailing their erections in women's loos are read out here and so we have to assume that any male in the ladies' might get a boner, whether of the "euphoria" type or otherwise.

Imagine being a rape victim and a man (in women's clothes or otherwise) walks into the ladies' and becomes visibly erect. That's a DEFCON ONE situation for a rape victim and any man in the loo has the potential to escalate to that.

If your friend had the slightest empathy for women, he'd use the gents' or a single-occupant loo.

I can guarantee there’s a few on this thread. My theory is it’s usually the ones who can’t be bothered to read the safety stuff as it’s a bit boring compared to the other posts.

Just because they feature in porn does not mean the situation is their fantasy.

Lol

Your posts are really interesting you obviously have a passion for it

they aren’t boring in the slightest….

I agree @Keeptoiletssafe

If we rolled out policy based on the answer to that question, men wouldn't be allowed out the house, anywhere.

West Yorkshire Police attempted something very similar to that, but aimed at women not men, when the Yorkshire Ripper was committing his murders.

And, let's be honest, forty, fifty years later, women are still blamed for being in the wrong place when men rape us, putting women under a de facto curfew. Yet people who aren't feminists accept this as normal. Maybe we should curfew men instead? I'd love to be able to go running after dark without having to run next to a road and be catcalled by van drivers, yet I don't dare run in the woods at night.

Genuinely stranger danger is an over stated threat to women - 5% of murders of women and 7% of rapes were committed by strangers

Part of why this is is because we have made it hard for men to rape strangers by setting up a network of single-sex toilets, changing rooms, and hostel dormitories across the UK. Making a space mixed instantly makes it more dangerous for women, as researched via FOI and reported on by The Times. Allowing some men who don't like being men into women's spaces makes it very hard, even impossible, to keep the other men out, because women don't know whether the man we are looking at is one of the bad ones or not.

I'm a lesbian. I have some pretty butch-looking friends, some of whom have been challenged on their right to use the Ladies. The moment they start talking, it's always been clear that they are female and it's always ended in laughter — because my friends know they look a bit like men at first glance and because they absolutely respect the right of women to ask any necessary questions in order to feel safe.

Lesbians aren't easily offended. We know that some of us stretch gender boundaries. You don't have to worry about us, Tina, we're big girls. It's you men who are the sensitive types.

Of course that counts and that's terrible and I'm very sorry it happened to you. No one deserves that.

I'm not talking about my personal experience though and what I mentioned is not exclusive to your experience? Both can be true.

What is TW and AGP?

Most trans women aren't even interested in other women though? They identify as a straight woman who fancies men 🤔. Why do you think they'd get hard over you?

Reddit is hardly a reliable source of information!

TW = transwoman, transwomen.

AGP, aka Malaga Airport, aka the fetish that must not be named = autogynaephilia.

No, male people with transgender identities are also attracted to female people. You really don’t seem well informed at all.

Plus a male person wishing to have power over female people come in all three sexual orientations. Misogyny doesn’t restrict itself based on sexual orientation

Most men who claim they are women are heterosexual, cross dressers, transvestites. You have been sleeping if you think most are homosexual.

Just looked at the SpeakOutSister link on Twitter….

(about this thread)

Sounds lovely.

Also where does this all sit with intersex people who may not have been born with a clear biological gender even if labelled at birth? Apparently there's over 1 million of them in the UK.

Intersex people?
Clear biological gender?
Labelled at birth?
Over one million?

My head hurts.